List of Alternate Presidents

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This is if Huey Long was not assassinated and fielded a candidate (not him) in 1936:

1933-1937: Franklin Roosevelt/John Nance Garner
1937-1941: Alf Landon/William Knox
1941-1949: Huey Long/Joe Kennedy
1949-1953: Robert Taft/Earl Warren
1953-1961: Estes Kafuavner/Hubert Humphrey
1961-1965: Hubert Humphrey/Scoop Jackson
1965-1973: Nelson Rockefeller/Henry Cabot Lodge
1973-1981: Ronald Reagan/George Wallace
1981-1985: John Connally/Terry Sanford
1985-1993: John Anderson/George Bush
1993-2001: Tom Harkin/Bill Clinton
2001-2005: William Weld/Arlen Specter
2005-Present: John Edwards/Ted Strickland

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Here's my stuck in limbo RFK timeline

Robert Kennedy/Ralph Yarborough 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan/Brian Schweiker 1977-1985
Julian Bond/George McGovern 1985-1989*
Jack Kemp/Pierre DuPont 1989-1997
Al Gore/Harris Wofford 1997-2001
John McCain/Christine Todd Whitman 2001-2009
Joseph Patrick Kennedy II/Mark Warner 2009-Present

*=Bond served as the equivalent of HUD secretary under RFK. He then defeated Wyche Fowler for Georgia's 5th Congressional District in 1978

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Alexander Haig=Nuclear Destruction

Works everytime!

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Fallwell was a Democrat for much of his life. He became a Republican the same time a lot of southerners did (mid to late 1960s). But yeah, GOP FTW, those are not strong tls

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Robert Kennedy TL

Robert Kennedy/Ralph Yarborough: 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan/John Connally-1977-1985
Julian Bond/John Glenn: 1985-1989
Jack Kemp/Bob Dole: 1989-1993
Mario Cuomo/Al Gore: 1993-2001
Al Gore/Evan Bayh: 2001-2005
John McCain/Tommy Thompson: 2005-2009
Robert Kennedy Jr./Mark Warner

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A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

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The fall of the G.O.P

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) / Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) : 1913-1924*
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) / None : 1924-1925
30. Calvin Coolidge (R-NH) / Herbert Hoover (R-KS) : 1925-1933
31. Frank Emerson (R-WY) / Joseph M. Dixon (R-MT) : 1933-1941
32. Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA): 1941-1949

*** 1943 : GOP splits. Social Conservatives and Pro-Interventionists and moderates leave the party and create the FREEDOM PARTY. Fiscal Conservatives are only remaining faction in GOP. The split was caused by the Fiscal Conservatives refusing to let the U.S Enter WW2. So to break the GOP Majority, Social Conservatives, Moderates and Interventionists left the party which gave the Dems a 47-29 Majority in the Senate and a 200-145 in the House 

33. Dwight Eisenhower (F-PA) / Harry Truman (F-MO) : 1949-1957
34. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge JR (R-MA) : 1957-1961
35. Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / John F. Kennedy (D-MA) : 1961-1969
36. John F. Kennedy (F-MA) / Roman Hruska (F-NE) : 1969-1971*
37. Roman Hruska (F-NE) / Ronald Reagan (F-CA) : 1971-1977
38. Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) : 1977-1985
39. Ronald Reagan (F-CA) / Chic Hecht (F-NV) : 1985-1993

*** GOP Announces it will disband. Fiscal Conservatives flee to Freedom Party and Democrat Party.


40. Zell Miller (F-GA) / Bob Graham (F-FL) : 1993-2001
41. Al Gore (D-TN) / Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NJ) : 2001-2009
42. Sarah Palin (F-WY) / George W. Bush (F-TX) : 2009-Current

*28 : Woodrow Dies as in Real Life
*36 : JFK Dies after getting shot by Republican Protester in Dallas, Texas.

If you're gonna make 38 posts a day at least make them good and not hackish.

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YES!!! Two Longs in one timeline. I'm an especially big fan of Russy-Russ. There's actually a case to be made that he was the most conservative president in your atl Historico, considering he was socially conservative and pro-buisness.

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National Republicans vs. Democrats

This basically starts from the very beginning.
1790-1797: George Washington (no party)
1797-1801: John Adams
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson
1809-1817: James Madison
1817-1825: James Monroe
1825-1833: John Quincy Adams (first a Democrat, than a National Republican)
1833-1837: Henry Clay (unpopular first term leads to defeat by Webster at Convention)
1837-1845: Daniel Webster
1845-1853: John C. Calhoun/Lewis Cass
1853-1857: Winfield Scott (anti-southern policies lead to civil war starting in 1857)
1857-1865: Stephen Douglas (North victorious in Civil War in 1863, Douglas announces that slaves in territory held by the Union Army will be free. This includes most of Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, and parts of North Carolina and Mississippi and Louisiana)
1865-1869: John Breckenridge (Douglas attempts to run for a third term in 1864 but the Southern delegation shoots him down and nominates Breckenridge)
1869-1873: Horace Greeley (shot in 1872 while campaigning in Arlington, Virginia. The year before Greeley had abolished slavery and the South had not seceded)
1873-1881: Winfield Scott Hancock
1881-1889: James Blaine
1889-1893: Grover Cleveland
1893-1901: William McKinley
1901-1913: Theodore Roosevelt
1913-1921: William Jennings Bryan
1921-1923: Robert Marion LaFollette (shot and killed while walking down the steps of the capitol)
1923-1933: Calvin Coolidge (depression occurs as it did in real life)
1933-1941: Al Smith (first Catholic president)
1941-1945: John Nance Garner
1945-1953: Thomas Dewey
1953-1957: Richard Russell
1957-1961: Earl Warren (passes integration and civil rights laws)
1961-1969: Joe Kennedy Jr.
1969-1970: Nelson Rockefeller (dies of a massive stroke)
1970-1973: Gerald Ford (does not run for reelection)
1973-1981: Richard Nixon
1981-1985: Ronald Reagan
1985-1993: Robert Dole
1993-2001: Mario Cuomo
2001-2005: Fred Thompson
2005-Present: Mitt Romney

Most Liberal President: Earl Warren: Passed a slew of liberal domestic programs and civil rights over his only term

Most Conservative President: John Breckenridge: Opposed pretty much any expansion of the role of the federal government and opposed any move to abolish slavery in the deep south. Did nothing to prevent "slave hunters" from taking free blacks from free Southern states.

Most moderate president: Teddy Roosevelt: a foreign policy hawk and domestic liberal. Also considered by many to be the greatest president

Republican base: northern and western protestants, suburban voters, women, blacks

Democratic base: southerners and border states whites, Catholics, "ethnics", white working class, Hispanics

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Some of the more talked about political what-ifs?
JFK Lives
John F. Kennedy/(Lyndon Johnson/Terry Sanford) 1961-1969 Kennedy drops Johnson to choose Mr. New South
Nelson Rockefeller/John Rhodes 1969-1973
Robert Kennedy/Scoop Jackson 1973-1981
Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford 1981-1989
Jack Kemp/Carroll Campbell 1989-1993
Doug Wilder/Bill Bradley 1993-1997
John McCain/Lamar Alexander 1997-2005
Roy Barnes/Skip Humphrey 2005-2013

Bobby Lives...and Wins
Robert Kennedy/Ralph Yarborough 1969-1977 GOP Nominee(s): Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan
Julian Bond/Birch Bayh 1977-1981 GOP Nominee(s): Nelson Rockefeller
Ronald Reagan/Charles Percy 1981-1989 DEM Nominee(s): Julian Bond, John Glenn
Mario Cuomo/Ann Richards 1989-1997 GOP Nominee(s): Bob Dole, Jack Kemp
John McCain/Carroll Campbell-Fred Thompson 1997-2005 Dem Nominee(s): Al Gore, Jeanne Shaheen
John Edwards/Robert Kennedy Jr. 2005-Present GOP Nominee(s): Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney

Ronald Reagan Assasinated
George Bush/Alexander Haig 1981-1989 Bush wins in 1984 partly due to pitty, partly due to some success, defeating Walter Mondale by a much closer margin.
Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen 1989-1993Defeats Bob Dole in 1988 due to Bush's very low popularity, as he is no "great communicator"
Jack Kemp/Dan Quayle 1993-1997 Defeats Dukakis who can't really turn things around, but runs up against a certain charismatic governor
Bill Clinton/Doug Wilder 1997-2005 Wins a narrow victory over Kemp before beating George W. Bush by a wide margin. Very popular despite well known philandering.
Doug Wilder/John Kerry 2005-2009 Rides on Clinton's popularity to victory over John McCain, but falls to Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney/Jeb Bush 2009-Present

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RFK Lives Alternate Presidents

This is a partner to the Senate list
Robert Kennedy/Ralph Yarboroug: 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan/Charles Percy: 1977-1985
Jack Kemp/George Bush: 1985-1989
Julian Bond/Lloyd Bentsen: 1989-1997
John McCain/Carroll Campbell (Fred Thompson following his death): 1997-2005
John Edwards/J.P. Kennedy III: 2005-Present

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FDR DOSEN'T RUN FOR A THIRD TERM

This list simply proposes that FDR honors his early "promise" and decides not to run for reelection. Jim Farley beats Garner and Hull for the nomination with FDR's support. The two following TL's go over whether Farley wins or not.

Farley Wins
Jim Farley: 1941-1948*
Tom Dewey: 1948-1956
Adlai Stevenson: 1956-1961
Richard Nixon: 1961-1969**
Hubert Humphrey: 1969-1973
Nelson Rockefeller: 1973-1977
Scoop Jackson: 1977-1983***
Birch Bayh: 1983-1989
Jack Kemp: 1989-1997
Lamar Alexander: 1997-2001
Jon Kennedy Jr.: 2001-2009
Jesse Jasckson Jr.: 2009-Prsent

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Farley Looses
Charles Lindbergh (R): 1941-1945
Alben Barkley (D): 1945-1949
Bob Taft (R): 1949-1953*
Earl Warren (R): 1953-1957
Estes Kefauver (D): 1957-1965
Nelson Rockefeller (R): 1965-1969
Hubert Humphrey (D): 1969-1973
Nelson Rockefeller (R): 1973-1977
Ronald Reagan (D): 1977-1985
John Connally (D): 1985-1989
Bob DOle (R): 1989-1993
Dick Gephardt (D): 1993-2001
John McCain (R): 2001-2009
John Edwards (D): 2009-Present

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President Kennedy the Younger
This basically presumes that Ted Kennedy beats Jimmy Carter for the 1980 Democratic Nomination and then goes on to narrowly beat Reagan.
1981-1989: Ted Kennedy-MA
1989-1993: Bob Dole-KS
1993-2001: Mario Cuomo-NY
2001-2009: John McCain-AZ

No Watergate, Ted doesn't run.
Richard Nixon-Spiro Agnew/John Connally 1969-1977
John Connally-Nelson Rockefeller 1977-1981 (Beats Mo Udall)
John Glenn-Reuben Askew 1981-1985
Ronald Reagan-Bob Dole 1985-1993
Doug Wilder-Al Gore 1993-2001
Elizabeth Dole-Tom Ridge 2001-2005
Dick Gephardt-John Kerry 2005-Present

No Watergate
Richard Nixon-Spiro Agnew/John Connally 1969-1977
Ted Kennedy-Lloyd Bentsen 1977-1981
Ronald Reagan-Howard Baker 1981-1989
Mario Cuomo-Dick Gephardt 1989-1997
Jack Kemp-Bob Dole 1997-2001
Dick Gephardt-Russ Feingold 2001-2005
Bill Owens-George Allen 2005-Present

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Joe Jr.'s plane isn't shot down in WWII

Joe Kennedy Jr. 1953-1961
Nelson Rockefeller 1961-1965
Scoop Jackson 1965-1969
George Romney 1969-1977
Gerald Ford 1977-1981
Ted Kennedy 1981-1985
George Bush 1985-1993
Dick Gephardt 1993-2001
Al Gore 2001-2005
Jay Rockefeller 2005-Present

Joe Jr. wins the Democratic Nomination at the convention as the young choice of the bosses and defeats Dwight Eisenhower in the closest election of the century (So far). He expands the Cold War and enacts large tax cuts to stimulate growth, generally following Military Keynesianism. He is slow to move on civil rights, and no major reforms are made until Nelly shows up.

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30st: Calvin Coolidge (R-MA), 1923-1933
31st: Charles Curtis (R-KS), 1933
32nd: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY), 1933-1941[/color
33rd Cordell Hull (D-TN), 1941-1949
34th: Thomas Dewey (R-NY), 1949-1950
35th: Styles Bridges (R-NH), 1951-1957
36th: Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL), 1957-1965
37th: Albert Gore, Sr. (D-TN), 1965-1969
38th: James Rhodes (R-OH), 1969-1973
39th: Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), 1973-1978
40th: Jimmy Carter (D-GA), 1978-1985
41st: Bob Dole (R-KS), 1985-1993
42nd: Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), 1993-1997
43rd: Theodore Bundy (R-WA), 1997-2005
44th: Sam Brownback (R-KS), 2005-2009
45th: Russ Feingold (D-WI), 2008-present

30th: Run for third term. Became the most hated President in U.S. history due to his inactivity during depression. Died near very end of his term
31st: Succeeded. First Native American President, served just about two months
32nd: Declined to run for third term
34th: Assassinated by Puerto-Rico Independence activists
37th: Defeated for reelection
38th: Defeated for reelection
40th: Succeeded the Presidency
42nd: Defetated for reelection.
43rd: Formerly a famous lawyer and two-term Governor of Washington, moderate-to-conservative Republican. In 2009 outrageous timeline has been posted on obscure Atlas Forum about "alternate" live of President Bundy, in which he became most famous serial killer instead and died in Florida electic chair in 1989.   
44th: Defeated for reelection
45th: First Jewish-American President

What a list!

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I'm thinking about doing a TL based on this after my TR TL is done. It will probably be different, but here is the basic concept

JFK Lives

John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson (1961-1965), Terry Sanford (1965-1969) (D) 1961-1969
Nelson Rockefeller/Howard Baker (R) 1969-1977
Howard Baker/Ronald Reagan (R) 1977-1981
Robert Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen (D) 1981-1989
Paul Simon/Jesse Jackson (D) 1989-1993
Jack Kemp/Bob Dole (R) 1993-2001
Dick Gephardt/John Edwards (D) 2001-2005
Bill Owens/Mark Sanford (R) 2005-2009
John Kennedy Jr./Russ Feingold (D) 2009-Present

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"Give 'em Hell Hubie!"

POD: Humphrey defeats Nixon

#37: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) (1969-1973)
#38: Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) (1973-1981)
#39: Richard S. Schweiker (R-PA) (1981-1985)
#40: Gary W. Hart (D-CO) (1985-1993)
#41: Peter B. Wilson (R-CA) (1993-2001)
#42: Albert A. Gore (D-TN) (2001)*
#43: John F. Kerry (D-MA) (2001-2009)
#44: John S. McCain (R-AZ) (2009-present)

* Killed when Flight 93 crashed into the White House on September 11th, 2001.

I don't see how a plane crashing into the White House would kill Gore, who would have been evacuated, the plane shot down, or at the very least he would have gone into the bunker.

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The Duke Wins: List of Presidents

40. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Michael S. “Mike” Dukakis (D-MA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
42. James “Jim” Edgar (R-IL): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
43. J.C. Watts Jr. (R-OK): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009**
44. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (D-MD): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

41. First Greek-American President
43. First African American President
44. First Female President

The Duke Wins: List of Vice-Presidents

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Lloyd M. Bentsen (D-TX): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
44. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AK): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997
45. J.C. Watts Jr. (R-OK): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
46. Peter B. “Pete” Wilson (R-CA): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009
47. James H. “Jim” Webb Jr. (D-VA): January 20th 2009-???

I'm friends with Townsend's daughter. Not surprising I'm so pro-Kennedy then!

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Ford Picks Reagan

Gerald Ford/Ronald Reagan (R) 1974-1981
Ted Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen (D) 1981-1989
Lloyd Bentsen/Dick Gephardt (D) 1989-1993
Jack Kemp/Bob Dole (R) 1993-2001
Paul Wellstone/Al Gore (D) 2001-2009
John McCain/Mitt Romney (R) 2009-Present

Basically flipped the parties presuming that there is a liberal revolution led by Teddy in 1980.

Defeated tickets
Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale 1976
Ronald Reagan/George Bush 1980
George Bush/Jack Kemp 1984
Bob Dole/Phil Crane 1988
Lloyd Bentsen/Dick Gephardt 1992
Bill Clinton/Bob Kerrey 1996
John McCain/Tom Ridge 2000
Rudy Giuliani/Colin Powell 2004
Al Gore/Barack Obama 2008

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JFK Lives....AGAIN!!!!

1961-1969: John F. Kennedy-Lyndon B. Johnson/George Smathers (D)
1969-1973: Nelson Rockefeller/John Tower (R)
1973-1981: Robert Kennedy/Terry Sanford (D)
1981-1989: George Bush/Gerald Ford (R)
1989-1993: Mario Cuomo/Doug Wilder (D)
1993-2001: Jack Kemp/George Voinovich (R)
2001-2005: George Voinovich/John McCain (R)
2005-Present: John F. Kennedy Jr./Mark Warner (D)

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Reagan Assassinated in 1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan (R), 1981
41. George Herbert Walker Bush (R), 1981-1985
42. Edward Moore Kennedy (D), 1985-1993
43. Robert Joseph Dole (R), 1993-2001
44. Richard Gephardt (D), 2001-2009
45. John McCain (R), 2009-Present

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1969 Referendum Passes
1. Charles de Gaulle (UNR/UDR): 1958-1970
2. Maurice Couve de Murville (UDR): 1970-1977
3. Francois Mitterand (PS): 1977-1984
4. Raymond Barre (CR)*: 1984-1998
5. Lionel Jospin (PS)#: 1998-2008
6. Francois Bayrou (CR): 2008-Present

*=CR stands for Republican Center, a coalition similar to the UDF in OTL
#=Under Jospin, electoral terms are cut to five years.

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Mulroney the Blue

I.D.: Mulroney sticks to his more conservative platform, while also passing senate reform and the Meech Lake Accord
Brian Mulroney: 1984-1997
Paul Martin: 1997-2004
Stephen Harper: 2004-2008
Michael Ignatief: 2008-Present

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West Wing in the Real World

40. Ronald Reagan/George Bush (R): 1981-1989
41. Gary Hart/Dale Bumpers (D): 1989-1993
42. Robert Dole/Jack Kemp (R): 1993-2001
43. Josiah Bartlett/John Hoynes (D): 2001-2009
44. Arnold Vinick/Ray Sullivan (R): 2009-Present