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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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« on: February 17, 2013, 07:14:54 AM »

1980-1988 Ronald Reagan/Jack Kemp
1988-1992 Jack Kemp/Elizabeth Dole

1992-2000 Michael Dukakis/Evan Bayh

2000-2008John E. "Jeb" Bush/John McCain (2000-2003), Condoleezza Rice (2003-2008

2008-2014 Barack Obama/John Edwards
2014-2016 John Edwards/Hillary Clinton

2016-2024Marco Rubio/Chris Christie (2016-2020), Susana Martinez (2020-2024

2024-2028 Anthony Coumo/Julian Castro

2028-2036 Susana Martinez/Paul Ryan

I guess you could title this as "If Dukakis didn't run in 1988"
Interesting list. I think that if Dukakis did not run in 1988, the Democrats would have had a better chance of winning because Dukakis was not the strongest candidate. Whichever Democrat won in 1988 would have most likely been defeated in 1992 considering the state of the economy though. If Dukakis did run again in 1992, he would have easily defeated George H.W. Bush, but would have done far worse in the South than Bill Clinton
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 03:00:34 PM »

37. Richard Milhous Nixon (R-CA)/Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD) 1969-1973
38. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Albert Brewer (D-AL) 1973-1979
39. Albert Brewer (D-AL)/vacant, Daniel Inouye (D-HI) 1979-1981

40. Robert S. Dole (R-KS)/James L. Buckley (R-NY) 1981-1989
41. Mendelik Disraeli (R-MT)/Thad O'Connor (R-ME) 1989-1993

42. Jefferson Dent (D-AL)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 1993-2001
43. Christian Mattingly (R-MI)/Richard B. Cheney (R-WY) 2001-2005
45. Howard Dean (D-VT)/John Edwards (D-NC) 2005-2009
46. Michael Huckabee (R-AR)/Richard Santorum (R-PA) 2009-?
Nice list overall, although I am not a fan of Mike Huckabee's Vice President. Is Rick Santorum the same as in RL, or is he more moderate?
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 06:38:20 PM »

Here's my Reagan in '68 list.
Ronald Reagan/George Romney (1969-1977)
George Romney/Paul Laxalt (1977-1981)
Lloyd Bentsen/Jerry Brown (1981-1989)
Howard Baker/Jack Kemp (1989-1997)
Jack Kemp/Dan Quayle (1997-2005)
Dan Quayle/Jeb Bush (2005-2009)
Mark Warner/Wesley Clark (2009-2017)

Failed Tickets:
(1968, 1972, 1976 no change)
1980: George Romney/Paul Laxalt, John Anderson/Patrick Lucey
1984: Paul Laxalt/Bob Dole
1988: Jerry Brown/Al Gore
1992: Paul Tsongas/Tom Harkin
1996: Bill Clinton/Bob Kerrey
2000: Joe Lieberman/Dick Gephardt
2004: John Edwards/Howard Dean
2008: Dan Quayle/Jeb Bush
2012: Rudy Giuliani/John McCain
Awesome list! How did Reagan's two terms turn out in this scenerio?
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 12:54:54 PM »

Roosevelt Keeps Henry Wallace as VP in 1944

List of Presidents
Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Nance Garner (D-TX), Henry Wallace (D-IA): March 4, 1933-April 12, 1945
Henry Wallace (D-IA)/Vacant: April 12, 1945-January 20, 1949
Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Earl Warren (R-CA): January 20, 1949-January 20, 1953
Estes Kefauver (D-TN)/Harry Truman (D-MO): January 20, 1953-January 20, 1961
Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Cecil Underwood (R-WV): January 20, 1961-November 22, 1963 (Rockefeller is Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22, 1963)
Cecil Underwood (R-WV)/Richard Nixon (R-CA): November 22, 1963-January 20, 1969
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Terry Sanford (D-NC): January 20, 1969-January 20, 1977
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Howard Baker (R-TN): January 20, 1977-January 20, 1985
Howard Baker (R-TN)/Phil Crane (R-IL): January 20, 1985-January 20, 1989
Robert Kennedy (D-MA)/Bill Clinton (D-AR): January 20, 1989-January 20, 1997
Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Al Gore (D-TN): January 20, 1997-February 12, 1999 (Clinton resigns due to sex scandal)
Al Gore (D-TN)/Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH): February 12, 1999-January 20, 2001
John McCain (R-AZ)/Lamar Alexander (R-TN): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009
Barack Obama (D-IL)/John F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY): January 20, 2009-January 20, 2017
Chris Christie (R-NJ)/Marco Rubio (R-FL): January 20, 2017-January 20, 2021
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)/Jason Carter (D-GA): January 20, 2012-January 20, 2029
Jason Carter (D-GA)/Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI): January 20, 2029-January 20, 2033
Aaron Schock (R-IL)/Mia Love (R-UT): January 20, 2033-January 20, 2041

Defeated Tickets
1948: President Henry Wallace (D-IA)/Senator Glen Taylor (D-ID), Governor Strom Thurmond (Dixiecrat -SC)/Senator Richard Russell (Dixiecrat -GA)
1952: President Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Vice-President Earl Warren (R-CA)
1956: Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-WI)/Senator William Jenner (R-IN), Senator Strom Thurmond (Dixiecrat-SC)/Senator Harry Byrd (Dixiecrat-VA) (President Kefauver signs the Civil Rights Act in late 1955, thus causing Strom Thurmond to run as a Dixiecrat candidate again)
1960: Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Senate Minority Leader Lyndon Johnson (D-TX), Senator Harry Byrd (Dixiecrat-VA)/Governor Orval Faubus (Dixiecrat-AR)
1964: Senator Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Senator Ralph Yarborough (D-TX), John Kasper (Dixiecrat -NY)/J.B. Stoner (Dixiecrat-GA)
1968: Vice-President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Congressman Gerald Ford (R-MI), Governor George Wallace (Dixiecrat-AL)/Governor Lester Maddox (Dixiecrat-GA)
1972: Governor George Romney (R-MI)/Senator Bob Dole (R-KS), Governor George Wallace (Dixiecrat-AL)/Senator James Eastland (Dixiecrat-MS)
1976: Vice-President Terry Sanford (D-NC)/Senator Edmund Muskie (D-ME)
1980: Senator George McGovern (D-SD)/Governor Michael Dukakis (D-MA)
1984: Senator Walter Mondale (D-MN)/Senator Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)
1988: President Howard Baker (R-TN)/Vice-President Phil Crane (R-IL), Ross Perot (Reform-TX)/Admiral James Stockdale (Reform-CA)
1992: Senator Bob Dole (R-KS)/Congressman Jack Kemp (R-NY), Ross Perot (Reform-TX)/Former Governor Dick Lamm (Reform-CO)
1996: Senator George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Senator Dan Quayle (R-IN)
2000: President Al Gore (D-TN)/Vice-President Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
2004: Former Governor Howard Dean (D-VT)/Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
2008: Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Governor Sarah Palin (R-AL)
2012: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA)/Former Governor Tim Pawlenty (R-MN)
2016: Vice-President John F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY)/Senator Claire McKaskill (D-MO), Senator Ted Cruz (Tea Party-TX)/Former Governor Mike Huckabee (Tea Party-AR)
2020: President Chris Christe (R-NJ)/Vice-President Marco Rubio (R-FL), Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV)/Former Ambassador Jon Huntsman (R-UT)
2024: Former Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)/Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR)
2028: Governor Greg Abbott (R-TX)/Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)
2032: President Jason Carter (D-GA)/Vice-President Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI)
2036: Former  Vice-President Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI)/Senator Patrick Murphy (D-FL)
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,791
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Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 12:50:13 PM »

too think how much would change over a Veep being in.... gosh....
A lot of thins would've definitely changed if FDR kept Henry Wallace as his Vice-President. One of the most notable changes is that Henry Wallace was opposed to the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and was also opposed to the U.S. taking a hardline stance against the Soviet Union at the start of the Cold War.
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,791
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Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 11:55:05 AM »

wow, I guess McCarthy would love to hate him if Wallace was Potus after FDR
Joe McCarthy definitely would've hated having Henry Wallace as president and definitely been a foil to him in every possible way. One result of Henry Wallace being President is that McCarthy would remain in the spotlight a bit longer, as you see I have him winning the Republican nomination in 1956. Estes Kefauver still would win big against McCarthy in 1956 though, even with Strom Thurmond mounting a third-party bid.
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 11:21:00 AM »
« Edited: December 27, 2013, 07:49:58 PM by MATTROSE94 »

Presidents and Vice Presidents of the United States:

1963–1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) / Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)

1969–1977: George Romney (R-MI) / Jacob K. Javits (R-NY)

1977–1981: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Bob Dole (R-KS)

1981: Ted Kennedy (D-MA)* / Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)

1981–1989: Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) / Walter Mondale (D-MN)

1989–1993: Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Mario Cuomo (D-NY)

1993–2001: Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (R-CT) / Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)

2001–2009: Al Gore (D-TN) / Joe Lieberman (D-CT)

2009–Present: Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Barack Obama (R-NY)

* Assassinated.
What made Obama a Republican in this TL?
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2014, 07:18:39 PM »

Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977), Bob Dole (1977-1981): August 9, 1974-January 20, 1981
Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Lloyd Bensten (D-TX): January 20, 1981-March 30, 1981 (Kennedy assassinated by John Hinkley on March 30, 1981)
Lloyd Bensten (D-TX)/Birch Bayh (D-IN): March 30, 1981-January 20, 1989
Birch Bayh (D-IN)/Walter Mondale (D-MN): January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993

Bob Dole (R-KS)/Dick Cheney (R-WY): January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Al Gore (D-TN): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009
John McCain (R-AZ)/Mitt Romney (R-MA): January 20, 2009-January 20, 2017
Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)/Martin O'Malley (D-MD): January 20, 2017-January 20, 2021
Chris Christie (R-NJ)/Aaron Schock (R-IL): January 20, 2021-January 20, 2029
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2014, 01:49:46 PM »

Robert Taft (R-OH)/Earl Warren (R-CA) (1949-1957)
Adlai Stevenson II (D-IL)/John F Kennedy (D-MA) (1957-1965)
John F Kennedy (D-MA)/George Smathers (D-FL) (1965-1969)
George Romney (R-MI)/Ronald Reagan (R-CA) (1969-1977)
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/James Buckley (R-NY) (1977-1985)
Robert Kennedy (D-NY)/Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) (1985-1993)
Howard Baker (R-TN)/Colin Powell (R-NY) (1993-2001)
Al Gore (D-TN)/Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) (2001-2009)
Dan Quayle (R-IN)/Michael Steele (R-MD) (2009-2017)
Not bad! I like the fact that you had Robert Kennedy get elected in 1984 and Howard Baker elected in 1992. BTW, what were the defeated tickets in each election?
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2014, 09:13:34 AM »

33.  Harry Truman (D-MO) / Alben Barkley (D-KY); 1945-1949
34.  Thomas Dewey (R-NY) / Earl Warren (R-CA); 1949-1953
35.  Franklin Roosevelt, Jr. (D-NY) / Estes Kefauver (D-TN); 1953-1955 [1]
36.  Estes Kefauver (D-TN) / Hubert Humphrey (D-MN); 1955-1961

37.  Prescott Bush (R-CT) / Richard Nixon (R-CA); 1961-1969
38.  Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA); 1969-1977
39.  Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA) / Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX); 1977-1978 [2]
40.  Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) / Tip O'Neil (D-MA); 1978-1981  

41.  George H.W. Bush (R-TX) / Howard Baker (R-TN); 1981-1989
42.  Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Mario Cuomo (D-NY); 1989-1993
43.  Bob Dole (R-KS) / Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL); 1993-2001
44.  Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL) / George Allen (R-VA); 2001-2005

45.  John Kerry (D-MA) / Bill Richardson (D-NM); 2005-2013
46.  Mitt Romney (R-MA) / John McCain (R-AZ); 2013-present

[1] President Roosevelt is assassinated in New York City on March 3, 1955.  Vice President Estes Kefauver assumes office; Hubert Humphrey is elected VP alongside Kefauver in 1956.  

[2] President Jackson dies in Washington on October 23, 1978 following a stroke.  Vice President Lloyd Bentsen assumes office; the Senate confirms Speaker of the House Tip O'Neil as Vice President on November 15, 1978.  
That looks like a pretty good list! BTW, does Strom Thurmond mount a third-party bid against President Estes Kefauver in 1956 over the Civil Rights issue?
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2015, 02:33:13 PM »

No 22nd Amendment:
34. Dwight Eisenhower (R-NY)/Richard Nixon (R-CA): January 20, 1953-May 14, 1962*
35. Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA): May 14, 1962-January 20, 1969

36. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Terry Sanford (D-NC): January 20, 1969-January 20, 1981
37. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 20, 1981-January 20, 1993
38. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/ Al Gore (D-TN): January 20, 1993-January 20, 2009
39. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Rick Santorum (R-PA): January 20, 2009-Present

*Died in office
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MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2015, 11:41:48 AM »

Teddy Kennedy-Lloyd Bentson (1981-1989)
Bob Dole (1989-1993)
Mario Cuomo-Bob Kerrey (1993-2001)
John McCain-Romney (2001-2009)
Gov Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan(2009-2013)
Gov Martin OMalley-Gov Mark Warner(2013-present)
That seems about right for a scenario where either Gerald Ford defeats Jimmy Carter in 1976 or a scenario where the Iranian Revolution does not occur. One of the possible reasons why Jimmy Carter was able to defeat Ted Kennedy in the 1980 Democratic Primaries was because the Iranian Revolution and the resulting Hostage Crisis created a rally 'round the flag effect that increased his approval rating and made potential Kennedy supporters flock to him in the 1980 Democratic Primaries.
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