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« on: March 10, 2007, 07:32:28 PM »

What were Wallace's best counties outside the South? Especially among counties outside the South with over 50,000 votes.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2007, 07:39:33 PM »

his best county in massachusetts was suffolk, somewhat of a surprise.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2007, 07:59:08 PM »

"...here's one I made earlier..."

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2007, 08:35:06 PM »

The only non-southern county I can find with over 50,000 votes where Wallace broke 20% is Anne Arundel (MD). Anyone know of any others?
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2007, 09:28:33 PM »

Looks like he did pretty well in rural Ohio. Kind of suprising since exactly zero black people live there.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2007, 09:31:12 PM »

Looks like he did pretty well in rural Ohio. Kind of suprising since exactly zero black people live there.

Old working class pro-Vietnam social conservative Democrats who later became Reagan Democrats and are now Republicans.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2007, 02:10:47 PM »

Looks like he did pretty well in rural Ohio. Kind of suprising since exactly zero black people live there.

Old working class pro-Vietnam social conservative Democrats who later became Reagan Democrats and are now Republicans.
Maybe some but not most. Compare 1968 returns with 1960 (the last close election). Nixon lost way more votes to Wallace than the Dems did. He nearly lost Ohio because of it too.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2007, 03:41:52 PM »

Looks like he did pretty well in rural Ohio. Kind of suprising since exactly zero black people live there.

Old working class pro-Vietnam social conservative Democrats who later became Reagan Democrats and are now Republicans.
Maybe some but not most. Compare 1968 returns with 1960 (the last close election). Nixon lost way more votes to Wallace than the Dems did. He nearly lost Ohio because of it too.

And Humphrey probably carried Texas due to Wallace; being LBJ's Vice President helped also obviously. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2007, 04:07:00 PM »

Wallace got 19.39% in St. Charles County, MO while getting 11% total in MO.

He also got 19.95% in Daviess County, KY and he got 18% in Kentucky

And he got a higher percentage in Oklahoma than Texas. Including 25% in Comanche County, OK and 20% in Muskogee County, OK
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2007, 04:15:46 PM »

Wallace got 19.39% in St. Charles County, MO while getting 11% total in MO.

He also got 19.95% in Daviess County, KY and he got 18% in Kentucky

And he got a higher percentage in Oklahoma than Texas. Including 25% in Comanche County, OK and 20% in Muskogee County, OK

He carried Pemiscot County, MO. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2007, 04:24:07 PM »

Wallace did do very well in the Boothill, but he didn't crack though Northeast Missouri.

Although Nixon became the first Republican to carry Audrain, Boone, and Callaway County. (Well, I think those three counties went Democratic every year from 1860 to 1956)
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2007, 06:53:48 PM »

The only non-southern county I can find with over 50,000 votes where Wallace broke 20% is Anne Arundel (MD). Anyone know of any others?

How can you have a non-southern county in a southern state?
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2007, 07:47:42 PM »

The only non-southern county I can find with over 50,000 votes where Wallace broke 20% is Anne Arundel (MD). Anyone know of any others?

How can you have a non-southern county in a southern state?

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2007, 09:11:19 PM »
« Edited: March 11, 2007, 10:14:09 PM by nclib »

The only non-southern county I can find with over 50,000 votes where Wallace broke 20% is Anne Arundel (MD). Anyone know of any others?

How can you have a non-southern county in a southern state?

Obviously it depends on whether Maryland is considered a southern state, but if you consider Maryland, along with Delaware, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia to be southern, then I can't find any large (over 50,000 votes) non-Southern county where Wallace broke 15%.

Edit: I found a few:

Butler, OH 19.2%
Wyandotte, KS 16.6%
Lake, IN 16.4%
Gloucester, NJ 15.5%
St. Clair, IL 15.1%
Genesee, MI 15.0%
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2007, 11:25:53 PM »

Butler, OH 19.2%
Wyandotte, KS 16.6%
Lake, IN 16.4%
Gloucester, NJ 15.5%
St. Clair, IL 15.1%
Genesee, MI 15.0%

Does anyone know anything about these counties? 5 of 6 voted for Kerry, with 3 of them over 60%. Are they very divided or something?
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2007, 11:34:16 PM »

Wyandotte includes the (now) majority-black Kansas City, Kansas

Lake includes Gary, IN

Dorchester County, MD seems to be like a Southern county

St. Claire includes East St. Louis, IL

Genessee includes Flint, MI

As for Butler.. um.. white flight?
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2007, 03:30:07 AM »

Butler, OH 19.2%
Wyandotte, KS 16.6%
Lake, IN 16.4%
Gloucester, NJ 15.5%
St. Clair, IL 15.1%
Genesee, MI 15.0%

Does anyone know anything about these counties? 5 of 6 voted for Kerry, with 3 of them over 60%. Are they very divided or something?

I am actually from Butler County, OH.  It is directly north of Hamilton County and Cincinnati.  Over the past 50 it has been rapidly converting from rural to suburban.  It is a highly conservative area, both socially and economically and is in no way shape or form a swing county.  I imagine that it was the socially conservative (aka racist) aspect of Wallace that appealed to Butler County voters.  If you look at the vote totals from 1968 and 1972 you'll notice that all of the Wallace voters from '68 went for Nixon in '72.  Butler County is really the epitome of a GOP stronghold in Ohio as they usually net over 60% of the vote.  Even Ken Blackwell won there.  The only area in Ohio that is possibly more conservative is in the Northwest around Lima.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2007, 07:11:08 AM »

The only non-southern county I can find with over 50,000 votes where Wallace broke 20% is Anne Arundel (MD). Anyone know of any others?
How can you have a non-southern county in a southern state?
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The only non-southern county I can find with over 50,000 votes where Wallace broke 20% is Anne Arundel (MD). Anyone know of any others?
How can you have a non-southern county in a southern state?
Obviously it depends on whether Maryland is considered a southern state, but if you consider Maryland, along with Delaware, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia to be southern, then I can't find any large (over 50,000 votes) non-Southern county where Wallace broke 15%.

The main reason I ask that question is because we are talking about the Maryland of 1967-68 not 2007. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2007, 02:31:02 PM »

Wyandotte includes the (now) majority-black Kansas City, Kansas


Incorrect. 2000 Census says Kansas City is 30% black. No place in Kansas can be majority black Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2007, 02:57:30 PM »
« Edited: March 15, 2007, 03:04:56 PM by RBH »

Wyandotte includes the (now) majority-black Kansas City, Kansas


Incorrect. 2000 Census says Kansas City is 30% black. No place in Kansas can be majority black Smiley

It's still a source of tension, which would led people to vote Wallace.

Wyandotte County (158K): 28% Black
KCK (147K): 30% Black
Rest of Wyandotte (11K): 4% Black
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2007, 03:04:52 PM »

Wyandotte includes the (now) majority-black Kansas City, Kansas


Incorrect. 2000 Census says Kansas City is 30% black. No place in Kansas can be majority black Smiley

No, Kansas City, Kansas is 56% Black
Kansas City, Missouri is 31% Black

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/2036000.html

30.1%
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2007, 03:05:28 PM »

Wikipedia had someone who flipped the stats
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2007, 03:06:59 PM »

Wikipedia had someone who flipped the stats

ok. Census Bureau rocks for demographic stats.
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2007, 03:30:04 PM »

Missouri does have a lot of majority African-American cities though. Including lots of suburbs in St. Louis.

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2007, 03:57:08 PM »

Missouri does have a lot of majority African-American cities though. Including lots of suburbs in St. Louis.

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That's 15 white people and 1072 African-Americans

Yes, Missouri is very different from Kansas. Lots of blacks around St. Louis and Kansas City.
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