Preferred Parties- Worldwide

[Gustaf]

Bono, why do you support Fremskrittspartiet in Norway? They're xenophobic populists who want a massive expansion of the welfare state. Not what I'd expect from you.

I read they want to seriously dismantle the welfare state and make the economy more free market.

Their only real idea is spending all of the oil millions in one big bang on everything and everyone, which would basically destroy the Norwegian economy.

[Bono]

Bono, why do you support Fremskrittspartiet in Norway? They're xenophobic populists who want a massive expansion of the welfare state. Not what I'd expect from you.

I read they want to seriously dismantle the welfare state and make the economy more free market.

Their only real idea is spending all of the oil millions in one big bang on everything and everyone, which would basically destroy the Norwegian economy.

The wiki article mentions they are for an increase in consumption taxes, a decrease in income taxes, and liberalization of labour laws, and other free market liberal policies. The Norsk Wikipedia agrees with me when it says it is liberal.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Because you support economically right wing parties in most countries but then the Greens here (have you ever read their platform?)

Yes. Voting for the Greens would be a protest vote for me If I lived in the United States. I would vote for the Democrats at a local level, but not nationally. Plus I'm not entirely against the economic left.

why? Hell you strike me as a moderate Republican, even to the right of them on many issues.

And the Green platform is not just economically left, it's completely unfeasible.

LOL. And what issue am I to the right of the Republicans?

Public schools.

I'm on the left of the Democrats on many issues - especially foreign policy and attitudes to "morality".

Then you've been paying crap attention to what the Democrats are doing on those lately. The Democrats are opposing the Iraq War and despite the idiotic claim you made before, a majority of Democrats did not support it originally (a majority of Democrats in Congress voted against it). The Democrats are not supporting the religious right (their entire agenda basically died with the Democratic takeover of Congress)

I also hope you aren't including tobacco under that "morality" label.

I know the Greens platform is ultra-left wing on many economic issues but the greens aren't going to win power, are they?

Making voting for them a waste of time.

1. Being against the formal system of education is not a left or right wing issue. Unless you consider Ivan Illich or George Bernard Shaw to be right-wing. 
2. Most leading Democrats supported the Iraq war, in 2004 the realistic presidential nominees all supported the war and those who opposed were not taken seriously.
3. I admit the Democrats are not in bed with Religious right (Neither are the Republicans - except when it suits them.) but they are still a socially conservative and Authoritian party imo. Remember PATRIOT Act senate vote: 99-1
4. By your logic voting for a Democrat in say, UT-1, would also be a waste of time, no?
5. What Lewis said. (on Iraq)
6. If you lived in Ireland you definetly be a green at least, if not a member of the Socialist party or even Socialist Workers Party (Hahahaha...). Your Irish equivalent would not vote for Labour.
7. What's wrong with Ireland?

[Gustaf]

Bono, why do you support Fremskrittspartiet in Norway? They're xenophobic populists who want a massive expansion of the welfare state. Not what I'd expect from you.

I read they want to seriously dismantle the welfare state and make the economy more free market.

Their only real idea is spending all of the oil millions in one big bang on everything and everyone, which would basically destroy the Norwegian economy.

The wiki article mentions they are for an increase in consumption taxes, a decrease in income taxes, and liberalization of labour laws, and other free market liberal policies. The Norsk Wikipedia agrees with me when it says it is liberal.

Well, living in Sweden I get plenty of Norwegian news, which I trust over Wikipedia. It's true that Fremskrittspartiet cooperates with the right, but that's only because they dislike foreigners and taxes. Their electoral break-through was based on  anti-immigration rethoric. Their party chairman said, for instance: We Christians like children. Jesus said "let the little children come to me". I don't know that Muhammed said something similar. If he did, it would have been "let the little children come to me so that I can use them in my fight for Muslim values" (my translation of Norwegian).

Also, it points out that the liberal side of the party actually left in protest, forming their own party a while back. It should be emphasized that the whole anti-tax thing is more populist than ideological.

[Bono]

Bono, why do you support Fremskrittspartiet in Norway? They're xenophobic populists who want a massive expansion of the welfare state. Not what I'd expect from you.

I read they want to seriously dismantle the welfare state and make the economy more free market.

Their only real idea is spending all of the oil millions in one big bang on everything and everyone, which would basically destroy the Norwegian economy.

The wiki article mentions they are for an increase in consumption taxes, a decrease in income taxes, and liberalization of labour laws, and other free market liberal policies. The Norsk Wikipedia agrees with me when it says it is liberal.

Well, living in Sweden I get plenty of Norwegian news, which I trust over Wikipedia. It's true that Fremskrittspartiet cooperates with the right, but that's only because they dislike foreigners and taxes. Their electoral break-through was based on  anti-immigration rethoric. Their party chairman said, for instance: We Christians like children. Jesus said "let the little children come to me". I don't know that Muhammed said something similar. If he did, it would have been "let the little children come to me so that I can use them in my fight for Muslim values" (my translation of Norwegian).

Also, it points out that the liberal side of the party actually left in protest, forming their own party a while back. It should be emphasized that the whole anti-tax thing is more populist than ideological.

For one thing, I don't see how being anti-immigration makes them less liberal. Next thing you'll be telling me Ron Paul isn't a libertarian. Either way, they can just be liberal conservative if that suits you, I won't dispute that. What economically populist policies do they advocate?

Besides, the article says the populist wing left in protest, not the liberal:

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[minionofmidas]

HOW would you fit into the greens in canada

He's a fascist, they are fascist. What's your problem?

[Hatman 🍁]

HOW would you fit into the greens in canada

He's a fascist, they are fascist. What's your problem?

[Јas]

6. If you lived in Ireland you definetly be a green at least, if not a member of the Socialist party or even Socialist Workers Party (Hahahaha...). Your Irish equivalent would not vote for Labour.

I don't think he would go along with the Greens, but I do agree he wouldn't be a Labour voter either.

7. What's wrong with Ireland?

Dangerous question to ask BRTD, Gully. Probably best avoided.

He believes the Catholic hierarchy control the State and the people and that Protestants are, in general, oppressed.

I'm not sure if there are any states he hates more than Ireland, but I'd say we're at least top 10.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

6. If you lived in Ireland you definetly be a green at least, if not a member of the Socialist party or even Socialist Workers Party (Hahahaha...). Your Irish equivalent would not vote for Labour.

I don't think he would go along with the Greens, but I do agree he wouldn't be a Labour voter either.

7. What's wrong with Ireland?

Dangerous question to ask BRTD, Gully. Probably best avoided.

He believes the Catholic hierarchy control the State and the people and that Protestants are, in general, oppressed.

I'm not sure if there are any states he hates more than Ireland, but I'd say we're at least top 10.

You're right perhaps not the Greens with their desire to enter a coalition with FG-lab. 100% the SWP type.

As an Irish protestant I certainly do not feel opressed.

[Јas]

6. If you lived in Ireland you definetly be a green at least, if not a member of the Socialist party or even Socialist Workers Party (Hahahaha...). Your Irish equivalent would not vote for Labour.

I don't think he would go along with the Greens, but I do agree he wouldn't be a Labour voter either.

7. What's wrong with Ireland?

Dangerous question to ask BRTD, Gully. Probably best avoided.

He believes the Catholic hierarchy control the State and the people and that Protestants are, in general, oppressed.

I'm not sure if there are any states he hates more than Ireland, but I'd say we're at least top 10.

You're right perhaps not the Greens with their desire to enter a coalition with FG-lab. 100% the SWP type.

I'd agree, but for his 'wasted vote' theories. If BRTD was born and brought up here, I'm fairly convinved he would be a Sinn Féiner. Obviously, given his anti-Catholic, pro-Unionist rhetoric this seems very odd to say the least, but pretty much all his other political philosophies can reconsile easily enough with SF. Like I say, this is incumbent on his being born and raised here. In the absence of that and assuming for some reason he suddenly found himself simply transplanted and living here tomorrow, his allegiance and vote would probably depend significantly on the constituency. The Socialist Party would be a distinct possibility where they're reasonably competitive.

As an Irish protestant I certainly do not feel opressed.

Indeed.

[Gustaf]

Bono, why do you support Fremskrittspartiet in Norway? They're xenophobic populists who want a massive expansion of the welfare state. Not what I'd expect from you.

I read they want to seriously dismantle the welfare state and make the economy more free market.

Their only real idea is spending all of the oil millions in one big bang on everything and everyone, which would basically destroy the Norwegian economy.

The wiki article mentions they are for an increase in consumption taxes, a decrease in income taxes, and liberalization of labour laws, and other free market liberal policies. The Norsk Wikipedia agrees with me when it says it is liberal.

Well, living in Sweden I get plenty of Norwegian news, which I trust over Wikipedia. It's true that Fremskrittspartiet cooperates with the right, but that's only because they dislike foreigners and taxes. Their electoral break-through was based on  anti-immigration rethoric. Their party chairman said, for instance: We Christians like children. Jesus said "let the little children come to me". I don't know that Muhammed said something similar. If he did, it would have been "let the little children come to me so that I can use them in my fight for Muslim values" (my translation of Norwegian).

Also, it points out that the liberal side of the party actually left in protest, forming their own party a while back. It should be emphasized that the whole anti-tax thing is more populist than ideological.

For one thing, I don't see how being anti-immigration makes them less liberal. Next thing you'll be telling me Ron Paul isn't a libertarian. Either way, they can just be liberal conservative if that suits you, I won't dispute that. What economically populist policies do they advocate?

Besides, the article says the populist wing left in protest, not the liberal:

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An anti-immigration stance which is based on "isn't it scary with these dark-skinned foreigners" is fundamentally illiberal. You're quoting, but not linking the English thing, meaning I can't comment too much on it, but I think we're talking about different incidents. In 1993, further back, "the more rendyrkete (which I think means literally pure-worshipping, so basically more fundamentalist) liberals" left the party and formed the Free Democrats. They believe in the following fundamental rights to:
1. life, freedom and rightfully acquired property
2. freely exchange thoughts, goods and services in the free market
3. found voluntary associations to satisfy the indiviudal human need for friendship, safety, welfare and culture
4. alone or through these associations pursue each one's life goals and values and spread these through peaceful argument.

Those would probably be liberals. And the fact that they left probably says something about FrP. Well, in fact they didn't leave, they were thrown out forcefully according to the wikipedia article on them.

[Gustaf]

As regards economic populism, from the wikipedia article you quoted (where the break-off I'mn referring to is included, don't know how you managed to miss that...)

"The Progress Party wants to reorganize the way welfare is distributed to allow for competition and private production of such services, without reducing the welfare state itself. It has long favoured increased benefits for the elderly, which has become one of their main electoral groups"

"The Progress Party has often been considered "the motorist's party". They are for increased spending in road building and maintenance, and are against the commonplace system of financing public roads with tolls. "

"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim".  (quote from party leader)

"The perpetrator is a foreigner - a headline we often read" (name of an FrP brochure. Has been criticized for not being true)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

1. Being against the formal system of education is not a left or right wing issue. Unless you consider Ivan Illich or George Bernard Shaw to be right-wing. 

You'd have a tough time finding anyone in the US besides radical libertarians and anti-government conservatives who support the abolishment of public schools.

2. Most leading Democrats supported the Iraq war, in 2004 the realistic presidential nominees all supported the war and those who opposed were not taken seriously.

Howard Dean didn't support the war and he was the frontrunner for most of the time (and seen as the inevitable nominee for awhile)

3. I admit the Democrats are not in bed with Religious right (Neither are the Republicans - except when it suits them.) but they are still a socially conservative and Authoritian party imo. Remember PATRIOT Act senate vote: 99-1

Also remember when it happened. Most Democrats are now opposed to the PATRIOT Act.

4. By your logic voting for a Democrat in say, UT-1, would also be a waste of time, no?

In all fairness probably, though I still would out of sheer partisanship. I'm still going to vote straight DFL with where I'm moving, even though the Democrats win every single election ever with no exceptions whatsoever, even opebo would landslide there. That's what I love about it

However, it certainly makes sense to vote Democratic in statewide and presidential elections there, as it's still Minnesota.

6. If you lived in Ireland you definetly be a green at least, if not a member of the Socialist party or even Socialist Workers Party (Hahahaha...). Your Irish equivalent would not vote for Labour.

I don't like any of the Irish parties actually.

7. What's wrong with Ireland?

I'm sure you know what the Magdalene Laundries were, right? Just too many horror stories I've heard about the place. I mean, this weekend I was drinking beer with some people who were born when you couldn't even buy condoms in Ireland! (and it was only a few years before I was born). And while things probably aren't so bad now the fact is Ireland still has one of the highest birth rates in the EU and far higher than the Catholic countries I don't mind (like France, Italy and Spain). Isn't Life of Brian banned in Ireland too?

And I just hate Catholicism in general.

And actually beyond all that Ireland doesn't really have what I like, I mean sure you have PLENTY of bars, but how many strip clubs? I also hardly ever hear of bands touring in Ireland and when they do they're usually crappy British street punk bands and the like. I can't name any Irish emo or post-hardcore bands. I'd have to live around Germany, France or Italy for the stuff I like. And since Ireland is an island I couldn't road trip to the big fests in those countries like I am to Indianapolis this summer.

I'd agree, but for his 'wasted vote' theories. If BRTD was born and brought up here, I'm fairly convinved he would be a Sinn Féiner. Obviously, given his anti-Catholic, pro-Unionist rhetoric this seems very odd to say the least, but pretty much all his other political philosophies can reconsile easily enough with SF. Like I say, this is incumbent on his being born and raised here. In the absence of that and assuming for some reason he suddenly found himself simply transplanted and living here tomorrow, his allegiance and vote would probably depend significantly on the constituency. The Socialist Party would be a distinct possibility where they're reasonably competitive.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like Catholicism regardless of where I was born, and I don't vote for terrorists regardless anyway. So that completely eliminates Sinn Fein. The only place I'd be willing to vote for them is Ian Paisley's constituency (as a pure protest vote), just as the only place I'd vote for the DUP is Gerry Adams' constituency.

[Colin]

7. What's wrong with Ireland?

I'm sure you know what the Magdalene Laundries were, right?

I've read up on them. Mostly they were part of a much larger phenomenon in the British Isles as a whole. There were many such asylums in England and Scotland as well that had mostly the same sort of abuses and same "standards" as these asylums and by the second half of the 20th century they were already in decline, though the true villainy of these institutions wasn't found out until unmarked graves were found at the sight of one of these "laundries" in 1993.

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Oh good heavens! You heard from some drinking buddy of yours that condoms were illegal in Ireland over 25 years ago. Wow. Don't you consider that places can change, as they have done in Ireland very quickly. It would be as uninformed as to basically consider the culture, politics and social mores of the early Reagan administration the currently accepted norms in America.

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Ireland has a general fertility rate of 1.86 children per woman. The United States has a general fertility rate of 2.17 children per woman. Australia is 1.81, New Zealand 1.78, Norway is 1.78, Denmark is 1.76, there really isn't a whole lot of difference between fertility rates in Ireland and those in the rest of the first world, they are actually lower than in the United States.

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What a dumb and absolutely bigoted remark. I'm an agnostic of Catholic descent and I think that's pretty damn insulting. You seem to love your sweeping generalizations and your bigoted remarks. Suburbs, Muslims, now Catholics, you hate as many different groups of people as the KKK.

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Oh Jesus tapdancing Christ.

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Thank you Irish people for at least not giving into that sh**t.

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They do have car ferries to England and possibly to France from Ireland so it is possible to road trip to those places.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

7. What's wrong with Ireland?

I'm sure you know what the Magdalene Laundries were, right?

I've read up on them. Mostly they were part of a much larger phenomenon in the British Isles as a whole. There were many such asylums in England and Scotland as well that had mostly the same sort of abuses and same "standards" as these asylums and by the second half of the 20th century they were already in decline, though the true villainy of these institutions wasn't found out until unmarked graves were found at the sight of one of these "laundries" in 1993.

The last one in Ireland was closed in 1996

Oh good heavens! You heard from some drinking buddy of yours that condoms were illegal in Ireland over 25 years ago. Wow. Don't you consider that places can change, as they have done in Ireland very quickly. It would be as uninformed as to basically consider the culture, politics and social mores of the early Reagan administration the currently accepted norms in America.

It wasn't some drinking buddy. I remember some article that said contraception was only legalized in Ireland in 1979.

Ireland has a general fertility rate of 1.86 children per woman. The United States has a general fertility rate of 2.17 children per woman. Australia is 1.81, New Zealand 1.78, Norway is 1.78, Denmark is 1.76, there really isn't a whole lot of difference between fertility rates in Ireland and those in the rest of the first world, they are actually lower than in the United States.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ei.html

Birth rate: 14.45 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)

The US has 14.14. Italy has 8.72. So yes, Ireland's numbers are not THAT much higher than the US's, but a large portion of that in the US is because of poverty (poor families in the ghetto are just likely to have more kids). The rate of people actually following Catholicism is certainly higher there than anywhere else in Europe and probably the US too.

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What a dumb and absolutely bigoted remark. I'm an agnostic of Catholic descent and I think that's pretty damn insulting. You seem to love your sweeping generalizations and your bigoted remarks. Suburbs, Muslims, now Catholics, you hate as many different groups of people as the KKK.

I said I hated Catholicism, not Catholics. If I hated Catholics I wouldn't have voted for one for President in 2004. Are you really fond of the patriarchial sexist Catholic hierarchy and social attitudes from the 19th century? I don't like the Southern Baptists because of this either, and for that reason I'm not all that found of the deep south states.

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Oh Jesus tapdancing Christ.

I like what I like.

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Thank you Irish people for at least not giving into that sh**t.

Whatever you think. That stuff is huge in Germany and Italy now. Yet it's bigger in North Dakota than in Ireland. (North Dakota seems to love the whole "screamy emo band with violin parts" thing)

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They do have car ferries to England and possibly to France from Ireland so it is possible to road trip to those places.

Yeah, but rather inconvenient. It'd be like living in the middle of Wyoming, aka even worse than North Dakota. At least ND has some pretty good shows in Fargo and does get some occasional good ones around Bismarck and Minot.

[Verily]

English-speaking (most knowledge)
United Kingdom: Liberal Democrats
-Northern Ireland: Alliance
Canada: Greens
Ireland: Progressive Democrats
Australia: Greens
New Zealand: Progressives
South Africa: Democratic Alliance (least bad)

European (second-most knowledge)
France: UDF
Germany: FDP, Greens
Austria: HPM, Greens
Switzerland: Greens
Netherlands: D66
Belgium: VLD
Spain: PSOE (least bad)
Portugal: PS (least bad)
Italy: L'Unione
Denmark: DRV
Norway: Venstre
Sweden: FP, Greens
Finland: KESK, Greens
Greece: PASOK (least bad)

Elsewhere
Japan: DPJ
Taiwan: TSU
India: Congress (least bad)
Brazil: PMDB, Greens
Mexico: PNA

And I profess not to know enough about politics elsewhere to make a decision. Most of South America, for example, is too left-right polarized for me to even choose a "least bad" party.

[Colin]

Alright I wont try to sway you. The only thing that I would like to point out is that total fertility rate is the most commonly used measure of the "birth rate" of a country. The numbers are high in Ireland because, compared to many other European countries, Ireland has more people of child bearing age and thus more births. Wikipedia says it best:

The TFR (or TPFR) is a better index of fertility than the Crude birth rate (annual number of births per thousand population) because it is independent of the age structure of the population, but it is a poorer estimate of actual completed family size than the total cohort fertility rate, which is obtained by summing the age-specific fertility rates that actually applied to each cohort as they aged through time. In particular, the TFR does not necessarily predict how many children young women now will eventually have, as their fertility rates in years to come may change from those of older women now. However, the TFR is a reasonable summary of current fertility levels.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yeah, but rather inconvenient. It'd be like living in the middle of Wyoming, aka even worse than North Dakota. At least ND has some pretty good shows in Fargo and does get some occasional good ones around Bismarck and Minot.

It's not inconvenient at all. It's just that it's unfamilier to you. These two things are not the same.

[Јas]

Having already discussed most of your comments before, I'm not going to rehash it all out again. Suffice to say that I echo Colin's posts entirely. But just for the record, to correct a factual error nobody else has dealt with.

Isn't Life of Brian banned in Ireland too?

No, no it's not. It was when it was first released but has been available for viewing for as long as I can recall.

[Gustaf]

English-speaking (most knowledge)
United Kingdom: Liberal Democrats
-Northern Ireland: Alliance
Canada: Greens
Ireland: Progressive Democrats
Australia: Greens
New Zealand: Progressives
South Africa: Democratic Alliance (least bad)

European (second-most knowledge)
France: UDF
Germany: FDP, Greens
Austria: HPM, Greens
Switzerland: Greens
Netherlands: D66
Belgium: VLD
Spain: PSOE (least bad)
Portugal: PS (least bad)
Italy: L'Unione
Denmark: DRV
Norway: Venstre
Sweden: FP, Greens
Finland: KESK, Greens
Greece: PASOK (least bad)

Elsewhere
Japan: DPJ
Taiwan: TSU
India: Congress (least bad)
Brazil: PMDB, Greens
Mexico: PNA

And I profess not to know enough about politics elsewhere to make a decision. Most of South America, for example, is too left-right polarized for me to even choose a "least bad" party.

FP and Greens are fairly different parties, so may I ask why you would choose between them? (it isn't totally stupid or anything, I actually a know person who choose between them in teh last election, but it'd be itneresting to hear if there is some reasoning behind it)

[Tetro Kornbluth]

What Colin said was mostly accurate on most issues - or at least the ones he knew (though Contraception without perscription was legalized only in 1978 iirc due to a supreme court case - Ireland in 1978 was quite a different country in some ways to Ireland now though.) as for morality, I don't much strip clubs as I have the self-respect to wait until a real woman comes along, but recently there was some furore when Stringfellows lap dance club opened in Dublin about a year ago or so with residential protests, etc soon afterwards it closed down due to lack of customers - perhaps Ireland isn't deprived enough for you BRTD, is that it?

@Verily: Knowing you I doubt you would vote for the PDs in Ireland, at least not now after 10 years goverment where they have mutated into a standard right wing party imo.

[merseysider]

Commonwealth Countries

UK: Labour

Australia: Labor

New Zealand: Labour

South Africa: African National Congress

Canada: Liberal Party at federal level; NDP at provincial level in Saskatchewan, Manitoba or British Columbia but Liberals anywhere else

Northern Ireland: I'd vote tactically to support moderate candidates from either community

EUROPE

Spain: Partido Popular, with great enthusiasm (the PSOE - spanish socialists - represent everything that is wrong with the liberal-left of today)

France: don't know, possibly the UDF, although I would like to see Nicolas Sarkozy win the presidential race. He is offering the kind of radical change France needs. The French left is a deeply reactionary and conservative force.

Italy: one of the smaller parties at the right-wing end of Romano Prodi's Olive Tree coalition: I quite like Silvio Berlusconi though as anyone who attracts so much odium from the middle-class liberal left can't be that bad

Germany: possibly CDU; I liked Gerhard Schroder for his attempts at economic reform and would have been strongly pro-SPD while he was around

Ireland: I have absolutely no idea. Probably Labour, maybe Fine Gael back in the 80s under Garret FitzGerald when they were more progressive than they are now.

Sweden: SAP (social democrats)

Denmark: Venstre (right wing liberals) - Anders Fogh Rasmussen has shown principle and courage in supporting Anglo-American foreign policy

Holland: PvdA (Labour)

SOUTH AMERICA

Brazil: don't know; I'm impressed by Lula (PT), who has done a lot to help the poor; but I also think his predecessor, Fernando Henrique Cardoso (PSDB) did a great job implementing 'third way' policies

Mexico: PRI

Argentina: some faction or other of the Partido Justicialista - I have always been fascinated by Peron

Chile: either Socialist or PPD - I'm impressed by Michelle Bachelet

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yeah, but rather inconvenient. It'd be like living in the middle of Wyoming, aka even worse than North Dakota. At least ND has some pretty good shows in Fargo and does get some occasional good ones around Bismarck and Minot.

It's not inconvenient at all. It's just that it's unfamilier to you. These two things are not the same.

It is inconvenient for me, just as living in the middle of Wyoming or rural North Dakota would be. And as it would be inconvenient for some rancher/hunter types in those places to be living in Minneapolis.

No, no it's not. It was when it was first released but has been available for viewing for as long as I can recall.

That's good. But now that I look up banned films in various countries, it appears Baise Moi and Romance are still banned, as is "Meet the Feebles" although I haven't heard of that one. Not good. I just don't like countries that ban movies, period.

What Colin said was mostly accurate on most issues - or at least the ones he knew (though Contraception without perscription was legalized only in 1978 iirc due to a supreme court case - Ireland in 1978 was quite a different country in some ways to Ireland now though.) as for morality, I don't much strip clubs as I have the self-respect to wait until a real woman comes along, but recently there was some furore when Stringfellows lap dance club opened in Dublin about a year ago or so with residential protests, etc soon afterwards it closed down due to lack of customers - perhaps Ireland isn't deprived enough for you BRTD, is that it?

Residential protests? Already enough reason not to like it. That applies to places in the US too of course. No one ever protests or is bothered by the local strip club, or the ones in Minneapolis. Minneapolis with it's 13 or so strip clubs certainly isn't "deprived" though and I once got laid through one so that's clearly not the issue here.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Since 2003 we have had a new Film Censor and films are rarely banned here anymore - I think only "Spun" was banned out of the films released to the censor since his appointment.

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FitzGerald was somewhat a champion of the Liberal left (well, a little) you seem to hate so much.

See:

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Is this a new form of inverse of Class resentment.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It is inconvenient for me, just as living in the middle of Wyoming or rural North Dakota would be. And as it would be inconvenient for some rancher/hunter types in those places to be living in Minneapolis.

No it... really doesn't compare at all actually. It's just like using public transport really, that's all.