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Gustaf
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Re:2004 and beyond.....
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Reply #75 on:
February 02, 2004, 01:38:19 pm »
Quote from: opebo on February 02, 2004, 07:09:43 am
Quote from: Gustaf on February 01, 2004, 05:37:26 pm
I'm gonna make a few points on FDR and Reagan. First off, M is compeltely right that the percentage of EVs is the thing to look at, anything else is ridiculous. That's like saying that Nader is much more popular than Washington was, b/c Nader recieved more popular votes. And the highest EV-percentage since pre-civil war era IS FDR, in 1936.
One of the left-wingers in these times were Ronald Reagan, btw, who supported freedom of speech for Communists, one of the things that makes him great in my opinion. Just a little reminder, PD. There was not thousands of spies everywhere, I thought McCarthy was well buried, but I guess I was wrong.
To RP: I am pretty sure that Churchill did what he could to fight Stalin, but was betrayed by FDR and Britan was too weak to go on it's own. FDR and Eisenhower, like most Americans of that time, failed to see the Communist threat in time, which put much of Eastern Europe into Soviet hands.
McCarthy has gotten an unfairly negative appraisal - after all, history is written by the winners.
McCarthy went nuts, I think most people would agree on that.
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Quote from: The Pauper of the Surf and the Jester of Tortuga on July 14, 2011, 01:20:59 am
This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...
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Re:2004 and beyond.....
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Reply #76 on:
February 02, 2004, 01:41:45 pm »
Quote from: Gustaf on February 02, 2004, 01:38:19 pm
Quote from: opebo on February 02, 2004, 07:09:43 am
Quote from: Gustaf on February 01, 2004, 05:37:26 pm
I'm gonna make a few points on FDR and Reagan. First off, M is compeltely right that the percentage of EVs is the thing to look at, anything else is ridiculous. That's like saying that Nader is much more popular than Washington was, b/c Nader recieved more popular votes. And the highest EV-percentage since pre-civil war era IS FDR, in 1936.
One of the left-wingers in these times were Ronald Reagan, btw, who supported freedom of speech for Communists, one of the things that makes him great in my opinion. Just a little reminder, PD. There was not thousands of spies everywhere, I thought McCarthy was well buried, but I guess I was wrong.
To RP: I am pretty sure that Churchill did what he could to fight Stalin, but was betrayed by FDR and Britan was too weak to go on it's own. FDR and Eisenhower, like most Americans of that time, failed to see the Communist threat in time, which put much of Eastern Europe into Soviet hands.
McCarthy has gotten an unfairly negative appraisal - after all, history is written by the winners.
McCarthy went nuts, I think most people would agree on that.
The messenger may have been flawed, but the message was a good one.
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Quote from: opebo on December 17, 2012, 03:47:32 pm
prostitutes, bedpans, toupees etc.
Gustaf
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Re:2004 and beyond.....
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Reply #77 on:
February 02, 2004, 02:05:09 pm »
Quote from: opebo on February 02, 2004, 01:41:45 pm
Quote from: Gustaf on February 02, 2004, 01:38:19 pm
Quote from: opebo on February 02, 2004, 07:09:43 am
Quote from: Gustaf on February 01, 2004, 05:37:26 pm
I'm gonna make a few points on FDR and Reagan. First off, M is compeltely right that the percentage of EVs is the thing to look at, anything else is ridiculous. That's like saying that Nader is much more popular than Washington was, b/c Nader recieved more popular votes. And the highest EV-percentage since pre-civil war era IS FDR, in 1936.
One of the left-wingers in these times were Ronald Reagan, btw, who supported freedom of speech for Communists, one of the things that makes him great in my opinion. Just a little reminder, PD. There was not thousands of spies everywhere, I thought McCarthy was well buried, but I guess I was wrong.
To RP: I am pretty sure that Churchill did what he could to fight Stalin, but was betrayed by FDR and Britan was too weak to go on it's own. FDR and Eisenhower, like most Americans of that time, failed to see the Communist threat in time, which put much of Eastern Europe into Soviet hands.
McCarthy has gotten an unfairly negative appraisal - after all, history is written by the winners.
McCarthy went nuts, I think most people would agree on that.
The messenger may have been flawed, but the message was a good one.
What, ban everyone with the wrong opinions?
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Quote from: The Pauper of the Surf and the Jester of Tortuga on July 14, 2011, 01:20:59 am
This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...
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Re:2004 and beyond.....
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Quote from: wolfentoad66 on September 12, 2012, 12:00:29 am
Quote from: M on January 31, 2004, 10:22:47 pm
Welcome to the forum! Trent Lott would be a decidedly bad choice as VP.
Cheney is a good man
, but I think we need to have Bush's political heir apparent on the ticket, hopefully Rudy. And I agree, Rudi-Condi would be an unstoppable ticket.
Hehehehe
Bump much?
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I know you're reasonable, Alfred.
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Re:2004 and beyond.....
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October 27, 2012, 03:20:24 pm »
Quote from: Northeast Representative Alfred F. Jones on October 23, 2012, 08:16:19 am
Quote from: wolfentoad66 on September 12, 2012, 12:00:29 am
Quote from: M on January 31, 2004, 10:22:47 pm
Welcome to the forum! Trent Lott would be a decidedly bad choice as VP.
Cheney is a good man
, but I think we need to have Bush's political heir apparent on the ticket, hopefully Rudy. And I agree, Rudi-Condi would be an unstoppable ticket.
Hehehehe
Bump much?
Sorry, this was when I was a REALLY new poster, and though it was a good idea to bump things. I didn't understand the severe consequences then.
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Quote from: CountryClassSF on March 16, 2013, 09:12:18 pm
I will stay home in this next election if we do not have a conservative tea party patriot. I have had enough RINOS
MrMittens
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Re: 2004 and beyond.....
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Reply #80 on:
November 15, 2012, 12:52:37 pm »
What the happened to Opebo. He was actually making sense back in 2004.
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Re:2004 and beyond.....
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Reply #81 on:
November 26, 2012, 12:39:44 am »
Quote from: PD on January 31, 2004, 11:02:23 pm
I suggest all you dems read Ann Coulter's books "Slander" and "Treason". I also Recommend Sean Hannity's book "Let Freedom Ring". I could recommend a hundred more, but I won't waste my time and post space because I know none of you liberals will ever even make an effort at it.
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