Is raising a child as a fundamentalist child abuse?

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Note that by fundamentalist I include ideological fundies(Greens, nazis) along with religious fundies or even rabid secular fundies like the ACLU. I'd say yes it is.

[Gabu]

I don't know about "abuse", but it sickens me to no end to see parents trying to make absolutely sure their children agree with them in every way.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

I don't know about "abuse", but it sickens me to no end to see parents trying to make absolutely sure their children agree with them in every way.

So that's a yes then.

[Gabu]

I don't know about "abuse", but it sickens me to no end to see parents trying to make absolutely sure their children agree with them in every way.

So that's a yes then.

I'd say "yes" but then David S and MaC would come in here yelling "YOU ARE A FASCIST HOW DARE YOU INVOLVE GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE OVERSEEING HOW PARENTS DO THEIR JOB" even though I never said a word about the government.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

They are borderline anarchists. What do you expect?

[adam]

No.

Parents have the right to direct their kids in any religious or political direction they fit. (No, this doesn't open the door for dimwitted statements like "so would it be okay for a parent to tell their kids that murder is okay?"). Part of parenting is providing guidances towards ideas that you consider right. The kids have the right to discard these ideas if they please.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

So that means if they're from a religion where its OK to kill unbelievers then turn them into jerky if not mandatory to do such you'd have no problem with it?

[Nation]

It's sad, but not abuse.

[David S]

I don't know about "abuse", but it sickens me to no end to see parents trying to make absolutely sure their children agree with them in every way.

So that's a yes then.

I'd say "yes" but then David S and MaC would come in here yelling "YOU ARE A FASCIST HOW DARE YOU INVOLVE GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE OVERSEEING HOW PARENTS DO THEIR JOB" even though I never said a word about the government.

Gabu I've never called to a fascist. To be honest I regard you as a gentleman, maybe a socialist, but still a gentleman.

But to the issue at hand: It seems to me that "child abuse" is generally considered a felony. That being the case it should drive some action by government to remedy the situation. So even though you don't mention government the implication is that government must intervene.

Real  child abuse involves beating a child or sexually assaulting the child.  Things like that do warrant government action. But fundamentalism is nothing like that.

[Colin]

It is sickening and in some cases it could be abusive.

[John Dibble]

It depends upon the methods of indoctrination. Some methods are abusive, others are not.

[Ebowed]

It can be if it involves isolation from others or prohibiting the child from making friends who don't have the same beliefs.

[MaC]

I don't know about "abuse", but it sickens me to no end to see parents trying to make absolutely sure their children agree with them in every way.

So that's a yes then.

I'd say "yes" but then David S and MaC would come in here yelling "YOU ARE A FASCIST HOW DARE YOU INVOLVE GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE OVERSEEING HOW PARENTS DO THEIR JOB" even though I never said a word about the government.

Gabu, I wouldn't say such a thing-after all, raising a kid Canadian is borderline-abuse

[David S]

I don't know about "abuse", but it sickens me to no end to see parents trying to make absolutely sure their children agree with them in every way.

So that's a yes then.

I'd say "yes" but then David S and MaC would come in here yelling "YOU ARE A FASCIST HOW DARE YOU INVOLVE GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE OVERSEEING HOW PARENTS DO THEIR JOB" even though I never said a word about the government.

Gabu, I wouldn't say such a thing-after all, raising a kid Canadian is borderline-abuse

[adam]

So that means if they're from a religion where its OK to kill unbelievers then turn them into jerky if not mandatory to do such you'd have no problem with it?

Seeing as how there are no such religions, your question is irrelevant.

This is taking the argument away from the point of all of these ridiculous threads. As David S said in this thread, and as I said in another, "child abuse" involves assaulting the child either physically or sexually. Some would say emotionally as well, but there's a rather large gray area, I'll leave my views on that for another debate.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

So that means if they're from a religion where its OK to kill unbelievers then turn them into jerky if not mandatory to do such you'd have no problem with it?

Seeing as how there are no such religions, your question is irrelevant.

This is taking the argument away from the point of all of these ridiculous threads. As David S said in this thread, and as I said in another, "child abuse" involves assaulting the child either physically or sexually. Some would say emotionally as well, but there's a rather large gray area, I'll leave my views on that for another debate.

Sure there is. ISlam has the part about killing unbelievers but not the part about turning them into jerky.

[adam]

So that means if they're from a religion where its OK to kill unbelievers then turn them into jerky if not mandatory to do such you'd have no problem with it?

Seeing as how there are no such religions, your question is irrelevant.

This is taking the argument away from the point of all of these ridiculous threads. As David S said in this thread, and as I said in another, "child abuse" involves assaulting the child either physically or sexually. Some would say emotionally as well, but there's a rather large gray area, I'll leave my views on that for another debate.

Sure there is. ISlam has the part about killing unbelievers but not the part about turning them into jerky.

Despite what the leaders in the middle east say, Islam was written as a religion of peace.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

THe message isn't what matters its how its intrepeted.

[Ban my account ffs!]

No, it's not abuse.  But parents who try to instill certain ways of thinking in children with absolutely no respect for the child's own beliefs just shows how bad you are at parenting.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Parents can direct their kids however they want - as long as it doesn't permanently harm them or break an already present law.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I hope to raise my children as fundamentalists in the doctrines of question everything, explore all possibilities and have fun. Is that abusive?

[opebo]

I hope to raise my children as fundamentalists in the doctrines of question everything, explore all possibilities and have fun. Is that abusive?

It might be if you don't give them trust funds..  if they are to be workers it might be best if you indoctrinate them in obedience, stoicism, and humility.

[??????????]

I hope to raise my children as fundamentalists in the doctrines of question everything,

Does that include global warming and questionable scientific claims?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I hope to raise my children as fundamentalists in the doctrines of question everything,

Does that include global warming and questionable scientific claims?

Yes.

[John Dibble]

But parents who try to instill certain ways of thinking in children with absolutely no respect for the child's own beliefs just shows how bad you are at parenting.

All parents try to instill certain ways of thinking into their children. That's one of the most important parts of parenting. Don't tell me your parents never tried to teach you to be a good person and whatnot as they'd be pretty crappy parents otherwise.

Of course it's a matter of degree - certain things are essential to try to instill(good moral compass, common sense, that kind of thing), while trying too hard to force others (religious or political beliefs) isn't good at all.