Demographics of woke white people

[wimp]

I notice they tend to be more female than average, but what else?

[Hope For A New Era]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulder,_Colorado#Demographics

[H. Ross Peron]

Usually from liberal upper middle class backgrounds usually becoming far more radical than their ACLU liberal and/or Clintonian centrist parents though a decent number are people from conservative households reacting to their upbringing.

[Wormless Gourd]

compared to the general population:
- way more likely to live in a top 20 US city
- way more likely to be LGBT
- way more likely to donate to a politician or political organization then most people
- way more likely to live in an area thats voted D presidentially for decades
- way more likely to have gone to a university at all, or gotten a four year degree
- way more likely to exclusively get their news/information/political discussions over social media
- much more likely to work in media, entertainment, tourism or education
- much more likely to be from an "ellis islander" catholic or jewish family then other whites
- much more likely to have moved away from their home town or neighborhood
- more likely to have grown up "comfortably", regardless of parental economic situation
- somewhat more likely to live in an area thats gone from R -> D presidentially since 2000
- somewhat more likely to work in government
- somewhat younger(tbh probably average age in the 30s)
- somewhat less likely to have kids or be married then other people their age
- wealthier then the general population, maybe average or above average for whites

[WindowPhil]

Not an answer to the question, but what percentage of woke white people legitimately consider white guys to be subhuman?

50%? 75%?

[Torie]

compared to the general population:
- way more likely to live in a top 20 US city (Hoboken)
- way more likely to be LGBT
- way more likely to donate to a politician or political organization then most people
- way more likely to live in an area thats voted D presidentially for decades
- way more likely to have gone to a university at all, or gotten a four year degree
- way more likely to exclusively get their news/information/political discussions over social media
- much more likely to work in media, entertainment, tourism or education
- much more likely to be from an "ellis islander" catholic or jewish family then other whites
- much more likely to have moved away from their home town or neighborhood
- more likely to have grown up "comfortably", regardless of parental economic situation
- somewhat more likely to live in an area thats gone from R -> D presidentially since 2000
- somewhat more likely to work in government
- somewhat younger(tbh probably average age in the 30s)
- somewhat less likely to have kids or be married then other people their age
- wealthier then the general population, maybe average or above average for whites

Hey, a rather uncomfortably high numbers of hits for me. I am at risk of going Woke. Sad!

[Bismarck]

compared to the general population:
- way more likely to live in a top 20 US city
- way more likely to be LGBT
- way more likely to donate to a politician or political organization then most people
- way more likely to live in an area thats voted D presidentially for decades
- way more likely to have gone to a university at all, or gotten a four year degree
- way more likely to exclusively get their news/information/political discussions over social media
- much more likely to work in media, entertainment, tourism or education
- much more likely to be from an "ellis islander" catholic or jewish family then other whites
- much more likely to have moved away from their home town or neighborhood
- more likely to have grown up "comfortably", regardless of parental economic situation
- somewhat more likely to live in an area thats gone from R -> D presidentially since 2000
- somewhat more likely to work in government
- somewhat younger(tbh probably average age in the 30s)
- somewhat less likely to have kids or be married then other people their age
- wealthier then the general population, maybe average or above average for whites

I would say old stock protestant background whites  in the large metros are more likely to be woke than Italians or Irish or Poles. The “Ellis island Catholics” may be more likely to be woke just because they are more likely to live in those metros. Jews of course are over represented in any left wing cause and make up a large part of the “woke” donor class. It’s probably partially true that the opening of elite positions to Jews after the 1980s and their subsequently making up a huge share of elite white people replacing the old wasps is a big part of the leftward shift of the American elite.

[Torie]

Ethnicity matters less and less when it comes to the white urban elites. It was quite different when I started my career. And there has been a huge amount of intermarriage.

[Torie]

Ethnicity matters less and less when it comes to the white urban elites. It was quite different when I started my career. And there has been a huge amount of intermarriage.

Anecdotally, there is something generational going on in my Italian American extended family on my father's side. I had assumed that this pattern was idiosyncratic but maybe there is more to it.

All of my female cousins came out of college with extremely liberal opinions that they did not have going in, and they became prone to starting vicious fights with my aunts - all of whom are educated, professional women, but also all stereotypical conservatives in their political views.

These cousins, at once status-conscious in a way that makes them want to distinguish themselves from their parents' generation while also acting in a way that unmistakably reflects similar work ethic and attitudes toward ambition, have all moved to major metros, mirroring the move of my father's generation from their small Upstate NY hometown to once-thriving regional metros like Rochester and Syracuse.

Interesting. Is some of it that the salience of your  cousins'  ethnic heritage has largely waned away? May I ask what the small Upstate NY hometown was? Dan and I have visited a large number of them now as we trek the blue highways. Syracuse struck us a very sad looking place when we visited to get our vaccines. It seemed almost comatose. One of my major clients in Orange County California was an Italian family from Syracuse. They still owned something of a real estate "empire" in Syracuse - thousands of apartment units.

[Torie]

Interesting. Is some of it that the salience of your  cousins'  ethnic heritage has largely waned away? May I ask what the small Upstate NY hometown was? Dan and I have visited a large number of them now as we trek the blue highways. Syracuse struck as a very sad looking place when we visited to get our vaccines. It seemed almost comatose. One of my major clients in Orange County California was an Italian family from Syracuse. They still owned something of a real estate "empire" in Syracuse - thousands of apartment units.

There's the Catholicism and the food, of course, but also less obvious patterns of thought and behavior that remain consistent across generations even after more obvious ethnic shibboleths have faded. I don't have a firm thesis here but there seems to be something to how this intersects with modern politics and generational assimilation.

I have noticed it in other families as well and it even maps loosely into what is represented, albeit in heavily stylized and caricatured fashion, on The Sopranos.

To answer your second question, my father grew up in Dolgeville, former home of the Daniel Green Company and its shoe factory. There were also factories where workers manufactured piano parts and baseball bats with lumber brought down from the southern Adirondacks. If you have been through Little Falls, you have been nearby.

Sadly the trajectory of these small factory towns has been no better than that of Syracuse. As late as the seventies, even in the midst of pronounced economic decline, the community retained a lot of strength. My father and his six siblings all maintain that it was good place to grow up, but none of them stayed there and both my grandfather's grocery store and the small sauce factory that he operated are now long gone. There are few jobs, even fewer that pay well, and much of the housing in the village has become a Section 8 dumping ground.

Italians are never dull. Dan and I have not yet been on highway 29 west of Gloversville. We knew a chap whose family owned a glove making factory in Gloversvillle. Those jobs are now all outsourced to Indonesia. The wages may be low, but not low enough. Gloversville is a nice looking town however overall.

[vileplume]

compared to the general population:
- way more likely to live in a top 20 US city
- way more likely to be LGBT
- way more likely to donate to a politician or political organization then most people
- way more likely to live in an area thats voted D presidentially for decades
- way more likely to have gone to a university at all, or gotten a four year degree
- way more likely to exclusively get their news/information/political discussions over social media
- much more likely to work in media, entertainment, tourism or education
- much more likely to be from an "ellis islander" catholic or jewish family then other whites
- much more likely to have moved away from their home town or neighborhood
- more likely to have grown up "comfortably", regardless of parental economic situation
- somewhat more likely to live in an area thats gone from R -> D presidentially since 2000
- somewhat more likely to work in government
- somewhat younger(tbh probably average age in the 30s)
- somewhat less likely to have kids or be married then other people their age
- wealthier then the general population, maybe average or above average for whites

It's similar in Britain with some notable differences:

-Definitely mostly live in large cities.
-I would say much more likely to LBT. Gay men in Britain don't tend to be particularly 'woke' and surprisingly often lean decidedly the other way.
-Much more politically active than the average person and spend much more time on social media.
-Definitely mostly have degrees.
-Typically from comfortably off to affluent middle class families (whom they often have a strained relationship with) though not very likely to be Jewish. Jews in Britain, even secular ones vote strongly for the Tories.
-Similarly more likely to work in media, entertainment education though for Britain instead of tourism I'd include health. The touristy areas of the UK: Cornwall, the Jurassic Coast, Lake District and the people who work in the industry in these places are not typically at all 'woke'.
-Younger and skewed female, usually without children.
-Disproportionately rent and don't own property .
-Possibly a higher average salary than typical for their age but taking into account high rent costs and living expenses in large cities often struggle for money and are poorer than average.
-Live in recently gentrified working class areas or in formally upper middle class urban areas where the large houses have either been broken up into separate apartments or are rented out by the room. Truly affluent owner occupied urban areas don't tend to be very woke at all e.g. in London: Chelsea, Fulham, South Kensington, Wimbledon Village, St Johns Wood, Barnes, Knightsbridge etc.

[Geoffrey Howe]

-Live in recently gentrified working class areas or in formally upper middle class urban areas where the large houses have either been broken up into separate apartments or are rented out by the room. Truly affluent owner occupied urban areas don't tend to be very woke at all e.g. in London: Chelsea, Fulham, South Kensington, Wimbledon Village, St Johns Wood, Barnes, Knightsbridge etc.

These are the areas where Laurence Fox did best in the mayoral - better than places like Havering which I expected would be his strongest. These types may be socially tolerant/liberal but definitely not woke.

[GregTheGreat657]

Interesting. Is some of it that the salience of your  cousins'  ethnic heritage has largely waned away? May I ask what the small Upstate NY hometown was? Dan and I have visited a large number of them now as we trek the blue highways. Syracuse struck as a very sad looking place when we visited to get our vaccines. It seemed almost comatose. One of my major clients in Orange County California was an Italian family from Syracuse. They still owned something of a real estate "empire" in Syracuse - thousands of apartment units.

There's the Catholicism and the food, of course, but also less obvious patterns of thought and behavior that remain consistent across generations even after more obvious ethnic shibboleths have faded. I don't have a firm thesis here but there seems to be something to how this intersects with modern politics and generational assimilation.

I have noticed it in other families as well and it even maps loosely into what is represented, albeit in heavily stylized and caricatured fashion, on The Sopranos.

To answer your second question, my father grew up in Dolgeville, former home of the Daniel Green Company and its shoe factory. There were also factories where workers manufactured piano parts and baseball bats with lumber brought down from the southern Adirondacks. If you have been through Little Falls, you have been nearby.

Sadly the trajectory of these small factory towns has been no better than that of Syracuse. As late as the seventies, even in the midst of pronounced economic decline, the community retained a lot of strength. My father and his six siblings all maintain that it was good place to grow up, but none of them stayed there and both my grandfather's grocery store and the small sauce factory that he operated are now long gone. There are few jobs, even fewer that pay well, and much of the housing in the village has become a Section 8 dumping ground.

I live in this general area and there are pretty no openly woke people who aren’t teachers. If you want I will elaborate further if you want.

[coloradocowboi]

Not an answer to the question, but what percentage of woke white people legitimately consider white guys to be subhuman?
50%? 75%?

I love how ppl make up stuff like this to defend voting for a guy who kept a copy of mein kampf on his nightstand

Ethnicity matters less and less when it comes to the white urban elites. It was quite different when I started my career. And there has been a huge amount of intermarriage.

Anecdotally, there is something generational going on in my Italian American extended family on my father's side. I had assumed that this pattern was idiosyncratic but maybe there is more to it.

All of my female cousins came out of college with extremely liberal opinions that they did not have going in, and they became prone to starting vicious fights with my aunts - all of whom are educated, professional women, but also all stereotypical conservatives in their political views.

These cousins, at once status-conscious in a way that makes them want to distinguish themselves from their parents' generation while also acting in a way that unmistakably reflects similar work ethic and attitudes toward ambition, have all moved to major metros, mirroring the move of my father's generation from their small Upstate NY hometown to once-thriving regional metros like Rochester and Syracuse.

It's just the case that both norms of behavior and the facts of life have changed. Yes, you're right that it's about fitting in. But I don't think it's this purely cynical, merely trying to distinguish themselves from the last generation kind of thing.

We have the internet now and a lot easier access to previously unavailable/censored information. For example, the popularity of socialism is expanding because more Americans have access to unbiased or even favorable information about it. Socialism itself has quite literally refused to change, but it's more popular because we have.

Anyway, I am living in a top 2 city (LA), gay, donate regularly, grew up and spent most my life in Colorado, raised by liberals only one of whom I see eye to eye on politics now, don't have social media, do have a degree, raised by mainline protestants with agnostic tendencies, grew up rich, am under 30, and have worked in politics. I'm broke now, so I almost fit the mold, but also am considered within my friend group and wider circle decidedly not "woke."

I am suspicious of gun control, of a lot of the basis of contemporary nonbinary and queer politics, politically correct speech, etc. Variably, I argue about the merits of lots of different things with my friends--some of whom are similar to me in terms of background but most not. But where almost all of us are in agreement is: neoliberalism has failed, racism and misogyny and homophobia are real and really annoying, and the gov't should stay out of individuals' lives and focus regulation on powerful institutions.

I think all of our families would consider us "woke." But I think to us it's merely that there are a set of common facts and experiences that kind of just preordain certain political beliefs, not based on politics but on just being realistic and pragmatic about life:
1. climate change is real and i would like to survive it
2. your gender/sexuality affect literally nobody and should therefore not be subject to regulation
3. our country has not alway been the good guy in world history, e.g. slavery, trail of tears, vietnam, and won't be redeemed until we end american exceptionalism and acquiesce to international law
4. racist jokes/mascots/etc. may not be unambiguously racist, but that doesn't matter if they make people uncomfortable and they should be banned

Tbh, what I find shocking are white people who live in urban America and aren't "woke." Averrões noted that social capital is at stake here, and that is true. Not to mention just participation in common reality. I don't think education, family upbringing, or any of that matter tho because what wokeness seems to be to me is acceptance of a shared reality with people you are in political alignment with

[AussieB]

In Australia it pretty much correlates with strong Green Party performance, so mostly young people living in Inner Cities. Generally Melbourne is thought of as more woke than Sydney too.