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« Reply #950 on: March 15, 2024, 09:04:18 AM »

Even the most fierce anti-Trump Democrats have moved away from "there is no actual evidence." The new talking point is, "So Fani is sketchy and corrupt, but it doesn't affect the facts in Trump's election case."

I haven't heard any democrat say she's sketchy or corrupt or imply such.

I will go as far as to say that she displayed exceptionally poor judgement.  It's probably not a technical conflict of interest, in contrast to her donating to Burt Jones's opponent in November 2022 -- a conflict that caused her to be removed from that specific prosection and replaced with a different prosecutor.  I don't think this damages the case from a legal standpoint, but at a minimum it's terrible optics; it doesn't pass the headline test*.  At a minimum, Wade should withdraw from the case.

* - From ethics training: if you're contemplating doing something, think about how it would look in the headlines.  If you don't like the answer, don't do it.

(Additional note: over the years I've seen many workplace romances.  Almost all of them ended badly -- including every one where one of the people was in a position of some authority.)

Called it!
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« Reply #951 on: March 15, 2024, 09:39:35 AM »

Clean link to the decision for anyone who wants to read it  - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24482771-order-on-motion-to-disqualify

Page 2, basically, says that he finds an appearance of impropriety, which is why Wade or Willis have to go. Defense argued appearance of impropriety alone is enough for DQ Willis; prosecutor said actual conflict is needed. Judge still admits on record that there is a "significant appearance of impropriety that infects the current structure of the prosecution team," so the motion wasn't totally frivolous or nonsense, as certain users kept saying (e.g. "this clown show"). It's not the result defense would've wanted, but it's not like they got laughed out of the courtroom
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« Reply #952 on: March 15, 2024, 09:40:57 AM »

What a waste of time
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« Reply #953 on: March 15, 2024, 11:31:17 AM »

Seems like a nothing burger as far as Trump's case is concerned. A true bill has already been obtained.

So overall it's a nothingburger albeit a juicy one.

These aged well.

Like a fine wine.
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« Reply #954 on: March 15, 2024, 12:34:15 PM »

Judge McAfee: “This finding is by no means an indication that the Court condones this tremendous lapse in judgment or the unprofessional manner of the District Attorney’s testimony during the evidentiary hearing"

But BRB - "This is a nothing burger. My comment aged like fine wine"
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« Reply #955 on: March 15, 2024, 12:36:48 PM »

Judge McAfee: “This finding is by no means an indication that the Court condones this tremendous lapse in judgment or the unprofessional manner of the District Attorney’s testimony during the evidentiary hearing"

But BRB - "This is a nothing burger. My comment aged like fine wine"
It is a nothingburger as far as the case is concerned. Wade will be replaced on the case, and it will continue as usual.
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« Reply #956 on: March 15, 2024, 12:40:28 PM »

Judge McAfee: “This finding is by no means an indication that the Court condones this tremendous lapse in judgment or the unprofessional manner of the District Attorney’s testimony during the evidentiary hearing"

But BRB - "This is a nothing burger. My comment aged like fine wine"
It is a nothingburger as far as the case is concerned. Wade will be replaced on the case, and it will continue as usual.

The whole reason all the Biden supporters are clinging to this case is that they hope it dooms Trump. The judge's remarks and the decision undermine public confidence in Fani and the case overall, giving Trump an opening to survive whatever may happen (including a guilty verdict).  Fani went from being Democrats' favorite "strong female" to disgraceful Georgia DA
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« Reply #957 on: March 15, 2024, 12:44:21 PM »

I've made my peace with this & MAL aren't happening before the election and J6 only maybe will.

And nahh, sticking with nothingburger. I think the evidence plus the decision today affirms that. I'm not talking about Wade lol.
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« Reply #958 on: March 15, 2024, 01:01:11 PM »

I've made my peace with this & MAL aren't happening before the election and J6 only maybe will.

And nahh, sticking with nothingburger. I think the evidence plus the decision today affirms that. I'm not talking about Wade lol.

On the contrary, the order itself suggests that the Georgia Bar investigates Willis for her unprofessional conduct and I'd expect a year or two from now she's going to be sanctioned for her behavior. I doubt she'll be disbarred for it but I'd put money on her being found in violation of the rules of professional conduct.
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« Reply #959 on: March 15, 2024, 01:05:37 PM »

Judge McAfee: “This finding is by no means an indication that the Court condones this tremendous lapse in judgment or the unprofessional manner of the District Attorney’s testimony during the evidentiary hearing"

But BRB - "This is a nothing burger. My comment aged like fine wine"
It is a nothingburger as far as the case is concerned. Wade will be replaced on the case, and it will continue as usual.

The whole reason all the Biden supporters are clinging to this case is that they hope it dooms Trump. The judge's remarks and the decision undermine public confidence in Fani and the case overall, giving Trump an opening to survive whatever may happen (including a guilty verdict).  Fani went from being Democrats' favorite "strong female" to disgraceful Georgia DA
Trump is free to run ads about a special prosecutor on one of his four cases being replaced, I'm sure that'll be very effective.
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« Reply #960 on: March 15, 2024, 02:21:45 PM »

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« Reply #961 on: March 15, 2024, 02:51:58 PM »

If Wade had not resigned, would Fani have had authority to fire him? If not, then Nathan Wade is a wimp. The judge said either him or Fani had to go. I can’t think of anything more pathetic and humiliating than this dude voluntarily disgracing himself like this. A real man would’ve stood his ground and said lady, you dragged my name through the mud, I’m not going anywhere. He should’ve refused to resign and forced Fani to face the consequences of her actions (assuming she couldn't have just fired him)
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« Reply #962 on: March 15, 2024, 03:02:50 PM »

I guess he's just not as manly as you Redban. Oh well.
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« Reply #963 on: March 15, 2024, 03:43:39 PM »

If Wade had not resigned, would Fani have had authority to fire him? If not, then Nathan Wade is a wimp. The judge said either him or Fani had to go. I can’t think of anything more pathetic and humiliating than this dude voluntarily disgracing himself like this. A real man would’ve stood his ground and said lady, you dragged my name through the mud, I’m not going anywhere. He should’ve refused to resign and forced Fani to face the consequences of her actions (assuming she couldn't have just fired him)


That makes zero sense. By playing ball here, he sets himself up to be portrayed as an aggrieved party to Democratic audiences, and thus retains some hope of a future in Georgia politics. Did you catch the "North Star" reference in the first sentence of his resignation letter? Willis may be under a gag order soon, but her allies are free to continue pushing the line that the allegations against her are a racially-motivated smear campaign.
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« Reply #964 on: March 15, 2024, 04:27:10 PM »

If Wade had not resigned, would Fani have had authority to fire him? If not, then Nathan Wade is a wimp. The judge said either him or Fani had to go. I can’t think of anything more pathetic and humiliating than this dude voluntarily disgracing himself like this. A real man would’ve stood his ground and said lady, you dragged my name through the mud, I’m not going anywhere. He should’ve refused to resign and forced Fani to face the consequences of her actions (assuming she couldn't have just fired him)


Putting aside the gross misogyny in this post and the fact that Willis almost certainly could have fired Wade...even if Willis had voluntarily stepped aside, it's almost certain that whoever took over the case from her wouldn't have kept Wade on the case regardless.
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« Reply #965 on: March 15, 2024, 04:42:03 PM »

Legal experts on CNN now say the trial will not happen before the election.
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« Reply #966 on: March 15, 2024, 05:25:09 PM »


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« Reply #967 on: March 15, 2024, 05:26:58 PM »




I hope this case doesn't ruin his life, he's doing a damn good job, and in return he gets an electoral opponent and death threats.
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« Reply #968 on: March 15, 2024, 05:34:10 PM »




Inb4 blue avatars come in and say that he was threatened by BLM and Antifa.
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« Reply #969 on: March 15, 2024, 06:28:59 PM »


That was the point, and yet again they succeeded.

Legal experts on CNN now say the trial will not happen before the election.


This was kind of expected, wasn't it? Even if the trial wasn't delayed from this. It was always going to run into 2025.
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« Reply #970 on: March 15, 2024, 11:36:14 PM »




Inb4 blue avatars come in and say that he was threatened by BLM and Antifa.

Reminder: when the right accuses the left of political violence, it is often the right in a mask pointing at the mirror.

FBI: Far-Right Extremist Posed As BLM Protester, Fired On Minneapolis Police Precinct
White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter
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« Reply #971 on: March 16, 2024, 06:07:30 PM »




Inb4 blue avatars come in and say that he was threatened by BLM and Antifa.

And they would. Because the usual suspects here, resent that close to 45% of the public who either support or at least enable Trump are gross scumbuckets. Sorry not sorry.
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« Reply #972 on: March 18, 2024, 05:37:26 PM »

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« Reply #973 on: March 20, 2024, 09:47:43 AM »
« Edited: March 20, 2024, 10:12:56 AM by brucejoel99 »

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« Reply #974 on: March 20, 2024, 01:13:51 PM »

From what I hear, immediate review before trial is rare. But it's good news for Trump & the others. The Appeals court could agree to take the case, and after review, they might agree to kick Fani off the case.  At the very least, trial won't be scheduled for a bit until the appeals court either refuses to take the case or rejects the motion
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