Acceptance of Science Bill [Failed]

[Ebowed]

Nay to all but the last two, Aye on the last two

[Rob]

Nay
Nay
Nay
Nay
Nay
Nay
Aye
Aye

[Јas]

Amendment 1:
To rename section 1 "Section 1: Human sexuality".

Abstain

Amendment 2:
To strike clause 1 of section 1.

Aye

Not happy with the wording here. I understand the point behind the clause, and am sympathetic towards it, but I think it's too broad.

It's entirely possible that a reasonable educative process could lead one to believe that abortion is 'wrong'. persons should be presented with facts and allowed make up their own mind on questions of morality such as this. I don't think the state should take an objective stance and declare abortion to be either 'wrong', or by implication, 'right'.

Amendment 3:
To strike clause 2 of section 1.

Nay

Amendment 4
To strike "sinful, wrong, or unnatural" in clause 3 of section 1 and replace with "an unnatural act observed only in humans" and to strike clause 7 of section 2.

Abstain

Amendment 5
To strike clause 5 of section 1.

Nay

Amendment 6
To rename section 2 "Section 2: Origins".

Aye

Amendment 6
To strike "valid within" in clause 8 of section 2 and replace with "testable by".

Aye

Amendment 7
To strike "disproves" in clause 9 of section 2 and replace with "contradicts".

Aye

[PBrunsel]

I vote aye to all, but the last two amendments.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

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Aye
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[Ebowed]

The last two amendments have passed.  Voting still open on the others.

[Ebowed]

Voting has expired.

Amendment 1 ties with 4 ayes, 4 nays, and 1 abstention.
Amendment 2 passes with 5 ayes and 4 nays
Amendment 3 fails with 4 ayes and 5 nays
Amendment 4 ties with 4 ayes, 4 nays, and 1 abstention
Amendment 5 fails with 4 ayes and 5 nays
Amendment 6 passes with 5 ayes and 4 nays
(As stated earlier):
Amendment 7 passes with 8 ayes
Amendment 8 passes with 8 ayes

[Keystone Phil]

On Amendment 1, the Aye's are four, the Nay's are four and there is one abstention.

As President of the Senate, I vote Aye on this amendment.



On Amendment 4, the Aye's are four, the Nay's are four and there is one abstention.

As President of the Senate, I vote Aye on this amendment.

[Ebowed]

I motion to add the following clause to Section 1.

"The willful surgical or medical termination of a pregnancy causes, or is in any way linked to, the development of breast cancer."

Regardless of one's opinions on abortion, the proposed link between it and breast cancer has been thoroughly debunked by scientists with no political agenda and thus it should not be mentioned in human sexuality courses.

[Ebowed]

We are voting on the following amendments:

Everything in Section 1 after "No funds from the federal government shall go towards any sex education curriculum" shall be removed from this bill.

Everything in Section 2 after "No funds from the federal government shall go towards any scientific education curriculum" shall be removed from this bill.

Nay to both.  If we are going to gut education funding, why would we do it by targeting specific types of education, especially science?

[Јas]

Nay to both

[Rob]

Nay, to both.

[Brandon H]

Aye to both.

[Colin]

Nay to both

[Bono]

Nay to both

You've really become a socialist. No to the second I can understand, but to the first?

[PBrunsel]

I vote aye to both.

[Ebowed]

Haha, people are voting to defund all sex education cirriculums.  Would you prefer that sex is never mentioned in schools?

[Ebowed]

Nay to both

You've really become a socialist.

What's socialist about supporting sex education classes?

[PBrunsel]

Haha, people are voting to defund all sex education cirriculums.  Would you prefer that sex is never mentioned in schools?

I see no point to talk about it. I mean we learn enough about it on TV these days, and kids are going to do what they want anyway. Why waste time in school in it?

[Ebowed]

Haha, people are voting to defund all sex education cirriculums.  Would you prefer that sex is never mentioned in schools?

I see no point to talk about it. I mean we learn enough about it on TV these days, and kids are going to do what they want anyway. Why waste time in school in it?

So they know the risks and how to protect themselves.  What you learn about sex on TV isn't as useful as you seem to think it is.

[afleitch]

Any attempt to legislate to terminate funding for sex education programmes in schools would be swiftly vetoed.

[Bono]

Any attempt to legislate to terminate funding for sex education programmes in schools would be swiftly vetoed.

Why does everything you like have to be federally funded?

[Ebowed]

Any attempt to legislate to terminate funding for sex education programmes in schools would be swiftly vetoed.

Why does everything you like have to be federally funded?

People don't support sex education because they "like" it.  Comprehensive sex education is about saving lives, not pushing sex as a fun idea on a reluctant population or whatever you're implying.

[afleitch]

Any attempt to legislate to terminate funding for sex education programmes in schools would be swiftly vetoed.

Why does everything you like have to be federally funded?

People don't support sex education because they "like" it.  Comprehensive sex education is about saving lives, not pushing sex as a fun idea on a reluctant population or whatever you're implying.

Exactly. Bono, if I could trust all parents to give their children sex education and grant them the opportunity to get varying opinions then there would be no need for comprehensive sex education in schools. However many parents are unwilling, unable or give down right false information to their children, often for religous purposes or due to prudity.

The classroom is a private, sensible and open arena of discussion about very sensitive issues. I will not, under any circumstances support the defunding of sex education in schools period.

[Bono]

Any attempt to legislate to terminate funding for sex education programmes in schools would be swiftly vetoed.

Why does everything you like have to be federally funded?

People don't support sex education because they "like" it.  Comprehensive sex education is about saving lives, not pushing sex as a fun idea on a reluctant population or whatever you're implying.

Exactly. Bono, if I could trust all parents to give their children sex education and grant them the opportunity to get varying opinions then there would be no need for comprehensive sex education in schools. However many parents are unwilling, unable or give down right false information to their children, often for religous purposes or due to prudity.

The classroom is a private, sensible and open arena of discussion about very sensitive issues. I will not, under any circumstances support the defunding of sex education in schools period.

I still don't see how that jumps to federla funding. Why can't the regions decide?