Partial birth abortion ban could affect all abortions after the 1st trimester

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This could give a general ban on 2nd trimester abortions with no exceptions for rape or the health of the mother.

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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/01/25/my_late_term_abortion/?page=3

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Good news.

[Virginian87]

I concur with States, as I believe all abortions should be illegal after the first trimester. 

Oh boy, I've probably said too much.  I expect the castigation from my fellow Democrats to start any minute.  Fire away!

[The Man From G.O.P.]

So? what's so great about more abortions jfern?

[Ebowed]

So what changes on the 91st day of the pregnancy that means no fetus can be killed at that stage?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Good news.

I agree!

[Speed of Sound]

Oh well. A shame really, but I suppose we cant take a hit with as many victories we've had on other issues lately. I grieve the loss of the 2ns trimester, but luckily it was hardly a big deal anyway. Let the righties have this one, they need something to feel good about these days.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

We need to use government funding/government propaganda to promote abortions among the lower classes.

[Speed of Sound]

We need to use government funding/government propaganda to promote abortions among the lower classes.

Wouldnt it be a little more logical, less expensive, and more effective to promote population control rather than abortions?

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Promoting abortion would be part of my program to promote not breeding among the lower classes. Look at how crime dropped alot about a generation or so after abortion got legalized.

[Speed of Sound]

Promoting abortion would be part of my program to promote not breeding among the lower classes. Look at how crime dropped alot about a generation or so after abortion got legalized.

I rather firmly believe that that is purely coincidental, Straha. I think there is a difference between saying "its okay if necessary" and "Its a great idea! Do it now!". I think population controls efforts like free condoms, pro safe sex, rather than pro abstinence sex classes, etc. would be far more effective, and much less controversial, therefore easier to convey.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Funny how often the abortion "debate" in the States is dominated by the worst sort of mindless scaremongering and blatent heartstring-tugging...

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

That's what you get with having a strongly activist protestant population. IF any nation needs to pay reperations its the UK for dumping its puritan nutcases on the new world.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What on earth has this got to do with Protestantism? Other than the fact that you're an anti-Protestant bigot?

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Easy. US prudery comes from the puritan legacy.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And what on earth has any of this got to do with "prudery"? Abortion is more regulated and more restricted in Europe than the U.S.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Only in the US is there a big culture war debate over abortion which has been going on for over 3 decades.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So? I'm sorry, but I can't work out quite what exactly you are trying to argue here...

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Basically I'm saying there's a correlation between US social conservatism and the endless whining from the right about legal abortion that's been going on for over 30 years.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But if the U.S was so "prudish" and so socially conservative (funny that you seem to think the two things are joined at the hip) why exactly does America have far, far less restrictions on abortion than European countries?

It's certainly true that American opinion on abortion is more polarised than in most places, but you really aren't make any sense.

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Al,

Just ignore him. The reason he can't formulate an argument for his statements is simply because he doesn't believe 95% of what he says. What he DOES say is simply for "shock and awe" and nothingless.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

But if the U.S was so "prudish" and so socially conservative (funny that you seem to think the two things are joined at the hip) why exactly does America have far, far less restrictions on abortion than European countries?

It's certainly true that American opinion on abortion is more polarised than in most places, but you really aren't make any sense.

The supreme court's decision is why we have unrestricted abortion. If it wasn't for Roe V. Wade we'd likely have only california and massachusetts with unrestricted abortion and around half of the nation having it legal but under various restrictions with the other half having it banned.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I say for every mother that dies because she was denied an abortion, we should burn an evangelical fundamental Christian at the stake and make his/her family pay for the funeral of the dead mother.

[Sam Spade]

But if the U.S was so "prudish" and so socially conservative (funny that you seem to think the two things are joined at the hip) why exactly does America have far, far less restrictions on abortion than European countries?

That answer is easy:  It's the US Supreme Court.

[Sam Spade]

Let me address jfern, who continues to show his rank idiocy on this topic:

This article was written 3 and 1/2 years ago.  This woman's concern was that the "partial-birth abortion" bill's language would be interpreted to ban not only the D&X procedure (the partial-birth abortion procedure), but also the D&E procedure (the standard second-trimester procedure).  This was the USSC's interpretation of the Nebraska statute in Stenberg v. Carhart.

The USSC decision handed down a couple of days ago interpreted the "partial-birth abortion" statute to cover only the D&X procedure.  That means that no other court will interpret the statute to cover the D&E procedure, so jfern's accusation, as usual, is baseless and without merit.

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that jfern got this from DailyKos and another person who does not understand what the USSC does and posted the link over here without reading it (like normal).