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« on: July 15, 2004, 11:23:29 PM »

*COUGH* There is *COUGH* *COUGH*  too much smo-*COUGH* *COUGH*  -ke in restuarants and *COUGH*  bars these *COUGH*  days. Its so ann-*COUGH* -oying *COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH*
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2004, 11:30:22 PM »

i agree
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2004, 01:16:47 AM »

Smoking is healthier than facism.

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2004, 01:53:36 AM »

How does this sound....

We out law the useage of traditional ciggarettes and cigars in public areas and promote the useage of a nicotine inhaler that looks and tastes just like a regular cigarette.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2004, 02:05:43 AM »

How does this sound....

We out law the useage of traditional ciggarettes and cigars in public areas and promote the useage of a nicotine inhaler that looks and tastes just like a regular cigarette.

"Screw all of you!  Fascistas!"

*Blows smoke in King's face and runs off.*
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2004, 02:16:40 AM »
« Edited: July 16, 2004, 02:18:31 AM by Governor Wildcard »

Okay.... let me just state that if you want to kill yourself knock yourself out... But studies have shown smoking in public does more harm to the none smokers around the smoker then to the smoker himself so what is the matter with my proposal? I mean come on its cleaner its cheaper for the consumer and everyone wins out at the end.
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2004, 06:06:49 AM »

I belive we should take the approach of sensible areas-have smoking banned in resteraunts and cafes, but allow it in places like pubs.

Resteraunts and Cafes are primarily places for eating, maybe drinking, and sometimes sociaising. It is a family environment and not a place for dangerous actuivities that could risk others. But bars are very different. They are for adults, they are for drinking, dancing, socialising, and smoking.

Smokers make up almost a quarter of the population. They have a right to some venues. Bars should be able to choose to allow smokin or not.

Oh, and by the way, nicotine inhales are NOTHING like cigarettes. Why do you think they bombed in most countries?
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2004, 06:12:40 AM »

How does this sound....

We out law the useage of traditional ciggarettes and cigars in public areas and promote the useage of a nicotine inhaler that looks and tastes just like a regular cigarette.

Why don't you put it to a vote to go into the Western Constitution then?
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2004, 10:22:43 AM »

Here's an idea that Toronto did for a while:
No smoking in public places, unless the public place classified itself as a "bar".  Then smoking could be in a bar, but no one under the age of 19 could go into the bar.  This seems like a good compromise
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2004, 10:45:36 AM »

I think a good idea would be to leave it up to the businesses but provide financial incentives for them to ban smoking on their premises. E.g. give bars and restaurants which are no-smoking areas tax breaks.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2004, 11:39:37 AM »

How does this sound....

We out law the useage of traditional ciggarettes and cigars in public areas and promote the useage of a nicotine inhaler that looks and tastes just like a regular cigarette.

"Screw all of you!  Fascistas!"

*Blows smoke in King's face and runs off.*

*COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH*

damn you Senator...damn you....
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2004, 12:30:18 PM »

Haha...it would be sort of fun if only the Western region had such a ban...fitting, you know? Smiley

You have to weigh the right of smokers to kill themselves against other people's right not to be affected by passive smoking...it's a tough issue.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2004, 12:38:25 PM »

Okay.... let me just state that if you want to kill yourself knock yourself out... But studies have shown smoking in public does more harm to the none smokers around the smoker then to the smoker himself so what is the matter with my proposal? I mean come on its cleaner its cheaper for the consumer and everyone wins out at the end.

I fully agree!!
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2004, 12:45:53 PM »

Okay.... let me just state that if you want to kill yourself knock yourself out... But studies have shown smoking in public does more harm to the none smokers around the smoker then to the smoker himself so what is the matter with my proposal? I mean come on its cleaner its cheaper for the consumer and everyone wins out at the end.

I fully agree!!
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 02:30:44 PM »

How many times are you going to agree Josh?
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 02:33:10 PM »

How many times are you going to agree Josh?

He's a Me Too.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2004, 02:33:19 PM »

i agree!
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2004, 02:54:22 PM »

If you are refering to places like Resturants, Bars ect I think it should be up to the owner of the establishment if they would allow smoking there and if someone doesn't like the fact that there is smoking in this certain establishment they can take their buisness else where.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2004, 03:32:28 PM »

It's not the government's business to regulate the risk out of everyday life.  People know all about the dangers or first hand and second hand smoke.  Any further regulation of LEGAL BEHAVIOR is simply benign tyranny by an overactive government.  Any banning of LEGAL BEHAVIOR in private establishments is a blatant violation of basic property rights.  Why don't all of you stop sticking your noses in places it doesn't belong and address problems that are actually, like, you know, important?
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2004, 03:35:41 PM »

It's not the government's business to regulate the risk out of everyday life.  People know all about the dangers or first hand and second hand smoke.  Any further regulation of LEGAL BEHAVIOR is simply benign tyranny by an overactive government.  Any banning of LEGAL BEHAVIOR in private establishments is a blatant violation of basic property rights.  Why don't all of you stop sticking your noses in places it doesn't belong and address problems that are actually, like, you know, important?


I would have to disagree with you.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to die of lung cancer when I have never smoked in my life. I think the Gov't should try its best to stop people from smoking in public. If you want to smoke at home and kill your family go right ahead. But in public you should not be able to smoke.
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2004, 03:43:40 PM »

It's not the government's business to regulate the risk out of everyday life.  People know all about the dangers or first hand and second hand smoke.  Any further regulation of LEGAL BEHAVIOR is simply benign tyranny by an overactive government.  Any banning of LEGAL BEHAVIOR in private establishments is a blatant violation of basic property rights.  Why don't all of you stop sticking your noses in places it doesn't belong and address problems that are actually, like, you know, important?


I would have to disagree with you.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to die of lung cancer when I have never smoked in my life. I think the Gov't should try its best to stop people from smoking in public. If you want to smoke at home and kill your family go right ahead. But in public you should not be able to smoke.

Then if the government wants to it can make smoking illegal.  Until it does, I should have the right to smoke anywhere I damn well please.  Of course, no government has the balls to make smoking illegal.  So, until the end of time let's smoke like chimneys!

Another thing to remember is that second-hand smoke isn't very dangerous if all you're exposed to is a few whiffs of smoke in a public place.  You're not even going to be remotely at risk unless you've been exposed daily to significant amounts of cigarette smoke.  Even then, the actual harm caused by second hand smoke is debatable.  But of course, it doesn't really matter whether or not there is a risk posed to the public health by allowing smoking in public.  Isn't there a risk to the public health by allowing cars to be driven on public highways?  Far more people die from car accidents every year than from second hand smoke.  Should we outlaw cars on public highways?  The world would certainly be safer if people used bikes or horses for their main mode of transportation.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2004, 03:49:25 PM »

It's not the government's business to regulate the risk out of everyday life.  People know all about the dangers or first hand and second hand smoke.  Any further regulation of LEGAL BEHAVIOR is simply benign tyranny by an overactive government.  Any banning of LEGAL BEHAVIOR in private establishments is a blatant violation of basic property rights.  Why don't all of you stop sticking your noses in places it doesn't belong and address problems that are actually, like, you know, important?


I would have to disagree with you.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to die of lung cancer when I have never smoked in my life. I think the Gov't should try its best to stop people from smoking in public. If you want to smoke at home and kill your family go right ahead. But in public you should not be able to smoke.

Then if the government wants to it can make smoking illegal.  Until it does, I should have the right to smoke anywhere I damn well please.  Of course, no government has the balls to make smoking illegal.  So, until the end of time let's smoke like chimneys!

Another thing to remember is that second-hand smoke isn't very dangerous if all you're exposed to is a few whiffs of smoke in a public place.  You're not even going to be remotely at risk unless you've been exposed daily to significant amounts of cigarette smoke.  Even then, the actual harm caused by second hand smoke is debatable.  But of course, it doesn't really matter whether or not there is a risk posed to the public health by allowing smoking in public.  Isn't there a risk to the public health by allowing cars to be driven on public highways?  Far more people die from car accidents every year than from second hand smoke.  Should we outlaw cars on public highways?  The world would certainly be safer if people used bikes or horses for their main mode of transportation.

You are crazy if you think second hand smoke is not harmful! I had two uncles die from second hand smoke.
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2004, 03:52:49 PM »

It's not the government's business to regulate the risk out of everyday life.  People know all about the dangers or first hand and second hand smoke.

You really seem to underestimate the pure stupidity of a lot of people.

Also, I bet some smokers never wanted to smoke.. they just bent to peer pressure.
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2004, 03:54:08 PM »

Also, I bet some smokers never wanted to smoke.. they just bent to peer pressure.

Here we go...
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2004, 04:02:57 PM »

Also, I bet some smokers never wanted to smoke.. they just bent to peer pressure.

Here we go...

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