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RReagan4EVER
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« on: July 15, 2004, 11:56:32 AM »

 This is a link to a page that shows how all the Senators Voted in the Gay-Marriage Thing yeasterday.  
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/marriage.roll.vote.ap/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2004, 12:37:47 PM »

The heroes of the day:

Republicans: No
Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Colorado

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine

Sen. John McCain, Arizona

Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine

Sen. John Sununu, New Hampshire

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2004, 02:50:02 PM »

 The true Hero's

Democrats: Yes

Sen. Robert Byrd, West Virginia

Sen. Zell Miller, Georgia

Sen. Benjamin Nelson, Nebraska
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2004, 06:24:21 PM »

The heroes of the day:

Republicans: No
Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Colorado

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine

Sen. John McCain, Arizona

Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine

Sen. John Sununu, New Hampshire



I expected all those Senators to vote the way they did except Sununu. That surprised me.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2004, 07:04:17 PM »

The heroes of the day:

Republicans: No
Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Colorado

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine

Sen. John McCain, Arizona

Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine

Sen. John Sununu, New Hampshire



I expected all those Senators to vote the way they did except Sununu. That surprised me.
Yes. I had read somewhere that both Gregg and Sununu both would vote no to the amendment, but I didn't believe.  Sununu is my hometown hero of the day (even though he moved to Washington DC last year).
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2004, 08:12:38 PM »

I thought Campell would vote for it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2004, 08:19:20 PM »

I thought Campell would vote for it.

Yeah, Campell and Sununu are pleasant surprises.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2004, 08:21:22 PM »

I thought Campell would vote for it.

Yeah, Campell and Sununu are pleasant surprises.

Why is Campbell such a surprise? He's a moderate Republican. I can understand his vote. Sununu is the real surprise.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2004, 08:24:22 PM »

The heroes of the day:

Republicans: No
Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Colorado

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine

Sen. John McCain, Arizona

Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine

Sen. John Sununu, New Hampshire



I expected all those Senators to vote the way they did except Sununu. That surprised me.
Yes. I had read somewhere that both Gregg and Sununu both would vote no to the amendment, but I didn't believe.  Sununu is my hometown hero of the day (even though he moved to Washington DC last year).

Prior to this vote, I had actually thought Gregg was more moderate than Sununu.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2004, 08:27:04 PM »

The heroes of the day:

Republicans: No
Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Colorado

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine

Sen. John McCain, Arizona

Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine

Sen. John Sununu, New Hampshire



I expected all those Senators to vote the way they did except Sununu. That surprised me.
Yes. I had read somewhere that both Gregg and Sununu both would vote no to the amendment, but I didn't believe.  Sununu is my hometown hero of the day (even though he moved to Washington DC last year).

Prior to this vote, I had actually thought Gregg was more moderate than Sununu.

Gregg is more moderate. Look at other issues and without a doubt, Sununu is more conservative.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2004, 08:28:31 PM »

Maybe Sununu is more of a libertarian, or perhaps he voted solely on the states rights aspect of the issue.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2004, 03:45:54 AM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2004, 08:40:38 AM »

And by Byrd.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2004, 09:01:57 AM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.

He's up for re-election, and he needs to appear more Conservative than he is.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 09:06:18 AM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.

He's up for re-election, and he needs to appear more Conservative than he is.
Does he? He's won that primary already.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 08:22:11 PM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.

He's up for re-election, and he needs to appear more Conservative than he is.
Does he? He's won that primary already.

Maybe he wants to impress the NSRC, so they will help him campaign. it's leaders are ultra-conservative.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2004, 09:26:14 PM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.

He's up for re-election, and he needs to appear more Conservative than he is.
Does he? He's won that primary already.

He still has to pander to the conservative base so the Libertarian and Constitution parties don't split the right-wing votes and let Hoeffel win with 45% or so.
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2004, 10:46:53 AM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.

He's up for re-election, and he needs to appear more Conservative than he is.
Does he? He's won that primary already.

He still has to pander to the conservative base so the Libertarian and Constitution parties don't split the right-wing votes and let Hoeffel win with 45% or so.
Yes, but he has to pick up votes in the Center (or rather: just left of center) as well...Now don't get me wrong, it's possible that that's the reason. I'm just not entirely convinced
a) that that's what he was doing - he may have voted for what he thinks is right
b) if that's the reason, whether it was wise.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2004, 12:05:10 PM »

No, he didn't vote for what he thinks is right.  I told you he has to pander.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2004, 11:04:22 PM »

I'm a bit disappointed by Arlen Specter.

He's up for re-election, and he needs to appear more Conservative than he is.
Does he? He's won that primary already.

He still has to pander to the conservative base so the Libertarian and Constitution parties don't split the right-wing votes and let Hoeffel win with 45% or so.

How does supporting a constitutional amendment that would limit states' rights, gain him votes from the Libertarians?
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2004, 11:22:12 PM »

Some libertarians only side with the party because they are the only party that really backs the small government concept, wanting to reduce the spending down to 100 billion.    They might very well disagree with the party socially.

But yes, the libertarians drive on the opposite side of the social freedom road than the Republicans.
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2004, 09:10:57 AM »

Exactly. It's not impressing Libertarians, it's about impressing Conservatives who might otherwise vote Libertarian as a protest.
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