Why not Fusion?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 10, 2024, 07:05:20 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  Individual Politics (Moderator: The Dowager Mod)
  Why not Fusion?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Do you support 'fusion'?
#1
yes
 
#2
no
 
#3
it is not an important issue
 
#4
undecided
 
#5
all other answers
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 22

Author Topic: Why not Fusion?  (Read 3570 times)
°Leprechaun
tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,222
Uruguay


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: May 15, 2007, 09:00:42 AM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/WIKI/index.php/Fusion
Logged
Alcon
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,866
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 09:04:56 AM »

Yes, but it's not particularly important.
Logged
Undisguised Sockpuppet
Straha
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 09:06:26 AM »

Have a nationwide proportional representation thing with one single district.
Logged
Alcon
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,866
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 10:25:14 AM »

Have a nationwide proportional representation thing with one single district.

Do you even know what fusion is?
Logged
Undisguised Sockpuppet
Straha
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 11:00:05 AM »

Yes. Fusion would only deal with first past the post districts(doing it for proportional representaiton would just get confusing) so...
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,190
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2007, 11:00:41 AM »

Yes, but it's not particularly important.
Logged
KEmperor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,454
United States


Political Matrix
E: 8.00, S: -0.05

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 12:14:13 PM »

Yes, we have it in New York and I like the way it works.  It's not a huge issue though.
Logged
MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,787


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 02:18:09 PM »

Don't understand it from the article given to me.

It's pretty sweet as a music genre though Smiley
Logged
Gabu
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 28,386
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -4.32, S: -6.52

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2007, 02:19:11 PM »

Yes, why not fusion?  It could be a great energy source.
Logged
Bono
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,703
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2007, 02:42:52 PM »

Yes, why not fusion?  It could be a great energy source.
Logged
KEmperor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,454
United States


Political Matrix
E: 8.00, S: -0.05

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2007, 12:31:37 AM »

Don't understand it from the article given to me.

Basically, you have third parties on the ballot that often endorse people running for the main parties too.  For example, for President Bush, he was a candidate for both the NY Republican Party and the NY Conservative Party.  If for some reason, he did something to piss off the Conservative Party, they could endorse someone else, which could end up costing him votes in the state. 

It might seem silly, but there are a lot of voters who are members of one of our 3rd parties that take it very seriously and vote straight party line.  It gives those 3rd parties a lot of pull in close races, where if the Republican candidate doesn't get the endorsement of the Conservatives or maybe the Independence Party, it could cost him the election.
Logged
MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,787


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2007, 12:50:35 AM »

Don't understand it from the article given to me.

Basically, you have third parties on the ballot that often endorse people running for the main parties too.  For example, for President Bush, he was a candidate for both the NY Republican Party and the NY Conservative Party.  If for some reason, he did something to piss off the Conservative Party, they could endorse someone else, which could end up costing him votes in the state. 

It might seem silly, but there are a lot of voters who are members of one of our 3rd parties that take it very seriously and vote straight party line.  It gives those 3rd parties a lot of pull in close races, where if the Republican candidate doesn't get the endorsement of the Conservatives or maybe the Independence Party, it could cost him the election.

Thanks for clarifying.  Looks like I'll also agree with:

Logged
○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
jfern
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 53,791


Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2007, 12:53:51 AM »

There was a 1997 Supreme Court case ruling that against allowing a candidate to get 2 party's nominations in MN.
http://www.lp.org/lpn/9706-fusion.html

It was a 6-3 ruling. It was seen as relevant to Bush v. Gore because it dealt with state's rights and election law. However, only Breyer choose the same position (state's rights) both times. The other 8 justices voted opposite ways.
Logged
Speed of Sound
LiberalPA
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,166
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2007, 09:24:11 PM »

Eh, doesnt really have that big of an effect, but I support it.
Logged
Ferdinand
Rookie
**
Posts: 97


Political Matrix
E: -5.55, S: -8.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2007, 10:20:12 PM »

I find it silly that we waste ballot space for multiple lines of the same candidate. However, if we must, fusion seems to be the most logical route to take.
Logged
MODU
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,023
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2007, 11:29:06 AM »


I say scrap the party concept and go back to the beginning, where people voted on the individual, and the runner up would become VP.
Logged
Ferdinand
Rookie
**
Posts: 97


Political Matrix
E: -5.55, S: -8.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2007, 11:36:57 AM »


I say scrap the party concept and go back to the beginning, where people voted on the individual, and the runner up would become VP.

President Bush and Vice-President Kerry? President Reagan and Vice-President Mondale? and my favorite...President Nixon and Vice-President McGovern.

Your idea would certainly make the U.S. government more interesting.
Logged
MODU
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,023
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2007, 01:51:37 PM »


I say scrap the party concept and go back to the beginning, where people voted on the individual, and the runner up would become VP.

President Bush and Vice-President Kerry? President Reagan and Vice-President Mondale? and my favorite...President Nixon and Vice-President McGovern.

Your idea would certainly make the U.S. government more interesting.

You bet it would.  Of course, if that system was in place back then, who knows what the combination would have been.  You could still have ended up with Reagan/Bush because Bush out performed Mondale in the polls, etc.
Logged
DuEbrithil
Rookie
**
Posts: 121


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2007, 08:05:10 PM »

Yes, but it's not particularly important.
Logged
Sensei
senseiofj324
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,532
Panama


Political Matrix
E: -2.45, S: -5.57

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2007, 05:57:28 PM »

Logged
Verily
Cuivienen
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,663


Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2007, 06:25:59 PM »

It's irrelevant. Really all it does is add a nice tag line next to the candidates that breaks down complicated issues into stupid sayings such as "Right to Life!" and "Oppose Global Warming!".
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.055 seconds with 13 queries.