For American Conservatives: Will Britain and France switch?

[Hatman 🍁]

Generalisations suck.

France sucks

If France sucks because we were smart enough not to go to Iraq to have over 3000 young man/woman butchered for oil, than I would guess that Belgium, Russia, Germany, and every nation that didn't send troops to Iraq suck as well. I gotta watch FOX News more often and I'll think the same way you do.

I understand that you can hate a government of a country, as I hate the Russian or American governments, but hating a whole nation because of its government is childish and retarded. I may hate the Russian and American governments, but I quite like Russia (and Russians) and Americans. Oh, and before you make generalizations about a certain nationality, try meeting more than one person of that nationality. Like about fifty people from there.

The war was/is never about oil.  So learn what your talking about and don't call me childish b/c your like 7 and really don't seem to have a concept of the world.  Please reserach before you post again

Oh, how naive you are.

[Gabu]

Generalisations suck.

France sucks

An excellent argument; I'm glad to see you're paying close attention to what is being said in this thread.

[Keystone Phil]

I have to say that while I don't like the way DWDL argues most of the time, it's really pathetic that those opposing him have to mention FOX News in every post. People want to get on his case about generalizations about the French yet the generalizations about FOX and conservatives never cease.

And before anyone goes crazy on me, I'm known to have a dislike for FOX.

[Gabu]

I have to say that while I don't like the way DWDL argues most of the time, it's really pathetic that those opposing him have to mention FOX News in every post. People want to get on his case about generalizations about the French yet the generalizations about FOX and conservatives never cease.

And before anyone goes crazy on me, I'm known to have a dislike for FOX.

DWDL was the first of anyone to bring up Fox News:

I also just think French people are snobbish, arrogant prudes as well.  Fox News and colorful avatars all the way!

[Keystone Phil]

I have to say that while I don't like the way DWDL argues most of the time, it's really pathetic that those opposing him have to mention FOX News in every post. People want to get on his case about generalizations about the French yet the generalizations about FOX and conservatives never cease.

And before anyone goes crazy on me, I'm known to have a dislike for FOX.

DWDL was the first of anyone to bring up Fox News:

I also just think French people are snobbish, arrogant prudes as well.  Fox News and colorful avatars all the way!

No, it was Earl...

Haha. Someone watches too much faux news. Get real; don't hate an entire country based on a government's decisions. 

[Gabu]

I have to say that while I don't like the way DWDL argues most of the time, it's really pathetic that those opposing him have to mention FOX News in every post. People want to get on his case about generalizations about the French yet the generalizations about FOX and conservatives never cease.

And before anyone goes crazy on me, I'm known to have a dislike for FOX.

DWDL was the first of anyone to bring up Fox News:

I also just think French people are snobbish, arrogant prudes as well.  Fox News and colorful avatars all the way!

No, it was Earl...

Haha. Someone watches too much faux news. Get real; don't hate an entire country based on a government's decisions. 

Oh, my bad, I was only searching for "fox".

[Hatman 🍁]

I have to say that while I don't like the way DWDL argues most of the time, it's really pathetic that those opposing him have to mention FOX News in every post. People want to get on his case about generalizations about the French yet the generalizations about FOX and conservatives never cease.

And before anyone goes crazy on me, I'm known to have a dislike for FOX.

DWDL was the first of anyone to bring up Fox News:

I also just think French people are snobbish, arrogant prudes as well.  Fox News and colorful avatars all the way!

No, it was Earl...

Haha. Someone watches too much faux news. Get real; don't hate an entire country based on a government's decisions. 

Oh, my bad, I was only searching for "fox".

My point was that fox news is the leading culprate for misinformation about the French. When it comes to bias from Fox News, it's hard to make any false generalizations.

[Keystone Phil]

My point was that fox news is the leading culprate for misinformation about the French. When it comes to bias from Fox News, it's hard to make any false generalizations.

It's still wrong to just assume that a conservative you are arguing with gets their news from FOX and that FOX is always wrong.

[Gabu]

My point was that fox news is the leading culprate for misinformation about the French. When it comes to bias from Fox News, it's hard to make any false generalizations.

It's still wrong to just assume that a conservative you are arguing with gets their news from FOX and that FOX is always wrong.

Although, with DWDL's response, it sounds like it was actually accurate in his case.

[Keystone Phil]

My point was that fox news is the leading culprate for misinformation about the French. When it comes to bias from Fox News, it's hard to make any false generalizations.

It's still wrong to just assume that a conservative you are arguing with gets their news from FOX and that FOX is always wrong.

Although, with DWDL's response, it sounds like it was actually accurate in his case.

Well, it's hard to say whether or not his bias against the French is because of FOX News though.

[Stranger in a strange land]

I have been wondering this.  For the last few years I have hated France with a passion for being vehemently anti-American and loved Britain for being opposite.  Do you think that with the new governments in place, American conservatives like myself will become France-lovers and Britain-haters?

You must know, however, that the French people aren't anti-American but Jacques Chirac wasn't pro-American nor really anti-American. My contacts in France say they love America.

The French I've met like America but despise it's government, especially George W. Bush.  Jacques Chirac probably is anti-American, however.

I don't think perceptions of the two will switch though: Gordon Brown is said to be just as pro-American as Tony Blair.

[Hatman 🍁]

My point was that fox news is the leading culprate for misinformation about the French. When it comes to bias from Fox News, it's hard to make any false generalizations.

It's still wrong to just assume that a conservative you are arguing with gets their news from FOX and that FOX is always wrong.

Although, with DWDL's response, it sounds like it was actually accurate in his case.

Well, it's hard to say whether or not his bias against the French is because of FOX News though.

Well, most of the anti-France propoganda out there is produced by Fox News, so I just went out on a limb on that one

[Mr. Paleoconservative]

A government does not necessarily represent, in a definitive way, the opinions of the public.  Despite what the media implies about "the Europeans," from personal experience we have a rather good personal and political relationship with our friends on the other side of the Atlantic. 

That said, one cannot blame them for not wanting to hop into every war our government decides to fight, or hold our hands as we parade under the banner of humanitarian aid into every third-world hell hole only to see our troops come back in body bags.  That is the same attitude we took as a country when European powers were making foreign policy actions somewhat similar to those our government is taking today.

Sarkozy showed that we can be friends, but we must maintain our independence and rights as two separate, but close countries.  The same has long been our relationship with Great Britain, though Thatcher and Blair have blurred the line to the point were it seems the British people are very skeptical of their independence from the United States.  The same thing happened in the U.K. during the 1960's and 1970's.

In the end, it is unlikely that the British will become anti-American, but rather, they have become more skeptical of the United States government.  France has long had that skepticism, but we are now in midst of finding productive ways to work together while maintaining independence and friendship.  It is most likely under this formula that United States/Western European relations will advance in the first quarter of the 21st Century.