Cabinet Member Election Amendment

[Ebowed]

Cabinet Member Election Amendment

1. Allow cabinet members to be voted on by the citizens of Atlasia.
2. Elections will run concurrently the presidential elections
3. There shall be no term limits for cabinet members
4. IRV voting will used as in all elections
5. This pertains to all cabinet positions and any created or renamed in the future


Sponsor: Sen. DownWithDaLeft

[Ebowed]

Stupid idea; the President is enough of a figurehead as it is.  I see no need to remove his ability to appoint a Cabinet.

[Јas]

On the substantive matter proposed, I don't support reducing the powers of the Presidency. If anything it should be strengthened.

[DownWithTheLeft]

This is part of a string of my amendments to give more power to the voters and increase the number of elections and elected positions to get the voters out.  However, I will offer this amendment to create a balance:

Scrap in full and replace with:

1. Cabinet members shall be appointed by the president
2. Before taking office, the cabinet member must be confirmed by the senate and then a simple majority of the Atlasian voters
3. The election will take place the weekend after the confirmation by the senate.
4. If the nominee is confirmed Thursday at noon or later, the election will take place the following week.


I think this gives the president the power to nominate who they like, but also gives the voters a say

[Јas]

This is part of a string of my amendments to give more power to the voters and increase the number of elections and elected positions to get the voters out.  However, I will offer this amendment to create a balance:

Scrap in full and replace with:

1. Cabinet members shall be appointed by the president
2. Before taking office, the cabinet member must be confirmed by the senate and then a simple majority of the Atlasian voters
3. The election will take place the weekend after the confirmation by the senate.
4. If the nominee is confirmed Thursday at noon or later, the election will take place the following week.


I think this gives the president the power to nominate who they like, but also gives the voters a say

Who would oversee these public votes, given that no SoFA would be in office?

By the way, on a drafting point, please include in the amendment where in the Constitution you want this to go and what should be removed.

[minionofmidas]

This is part of a string of my amendments to give more power to the voters and increase the number of elections and elected positions to get the voters out.  However, I will offer this amendment to create a balance:

Scrap in full and replace with:

1. Cabinet members shall be appointed by the president
2. Before taking office, the cabinet member must be confirmed by the senate and then a simple majority of the Atlasian voters
3. The election will take place the weekend after the confirmation by the senate.
4. If the nominee is confirmed Thursday at noon or later, the election will take place the following week.


I think this gives the president the power to nominate who they like, but also gives the voters a say

Who would oversee these public votes, given that no SoFA would be in office?

Why would the previous SoFA not be in office anymore?

[DownWithTheLeft]

This is part of a string of my amendments to give more power to the voters and increase the number of elections and elected positions to get the voters out.  However, I will offer this amendment to create a balance:

Scrap in full and replace with:

1. Cabinet members shall be appointed by the president
2. Before taking office, the cabinet member must be confirmed by the senate and then a simple majority of the Atlasian voters
3. The election will take place the weekend after the confirmation by the senate.
4. If the nominee is confirmed Thursday at noon or later, the election will take place the following week.


I think this gives the president the power to nominate who they like, but also gives the voters a say

Who would oversee these public votes, given that no SoFA would be in office?

Why would the previous SoFA not be in office anymore?

That's what I thought, and I would like this added under Article 1, Sec 6 of the Consitution as the new Section 7

[minionofmidas]

The answer, as I should have noticed before, is that SoFAs don't get replaced in Atlasia, they resign.

[Јas]

This is part of a string of my amendments to give more power to the voters and increase the number of elections and elected positions to get the voters out.  However, I will offer this amendment to create a balance:

Scrap in full and replace with:

1. Cabinet members shall be appointed by the president
2. Before taking office, the cabinet member must be confirmed by the senate and then a simple majority of the Atlasian voters
3. The election will take place the weekend after the confirmation by the senate.
4. If the nominee is confirmed Thursday at noon or later, the election will take place the following week.


I think this gives the president the power to nominate who they like, but also gives the voters a say

Who would oversee these public votes, given that no SoFA would be in office?

Why would the previous SoFA not be in office anymore?

My understanding was that the SoFA (and the rest of the Cabinet) lose office upon the beginning of the new Presidential term. (This is based largely on my interpretation of the effects of
Article II, Section 1, Clause 4.)

Is there precedent for Cabinet officers staying on between the swearing-in of the new President and the Senate confirmation of another nominee?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Tack another Section on my amendment saying the VP conducts the election if there is no SoFA

[Ebowed]

Tack another Section on my amendment saying the VP conducts the election if there is no SoFA

What if there's no VP?  lolz.

These elections sound completely pointless btw.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Tack another Section on my amendment saying the VP conducts the election if there is no SoFA

What if there's no VP?  lolz.

These elections sound completely pointless btw.

I would expect you to criticize any legislation I put forth, so thanks

[The Man From G.O.P.]

The cabinet is to be appointed by the President...... when the people choose left right or centre for President, they know full well the cabinet will most likely favour the Presidents views.

[SPC]

The cabinet is to be appointed by the President...... when the people choose left right or centre for President, they know full well the cabinet will most likely favour the Presidents views.

I agree. This is redundancy.

[DownWithTheLeft]

The cabinet is to be appointed by the President...... when the people choose left right or centre for President, they know full well the cabinet will most likely favour the Presidents views.

The idea is not to prevent the president when stacking his cabinet with cronies, is it meant to produce further elections.

[Colin]

Why reduce the powers of the President even further by making all the positions elected? Why add another election to Atlasia right after we've finished with the Presidential elections? It is the executive's power to appoint a cabinet and its the Senate's to approve those appointments. An election would add more headaches for no apparent reason.

To be honest DWDL the legislation that you have produced in your time in the Senate has been of the same order as former Senator Naso's was, in many instances. When it isn't completely unconstitutional or incomprehensible, it calls for the most unncessary and unneeded changes.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Most of my ideas, (the last amendment, this one) were not my ideas at all and proposed to me by others.  Again, I was just introducing things to try and benefit my constituents.

[minionofmidas]

The cabinet is to be appointed by the President...... when the people choose left right or centre for President, they know full well the cabinet will most likely favour the Presidents views.

...and then, ninety percent of the time, they're flabbergasted at just how wrong they were in assuming that.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

The cabinet is to be appointed by the President...... when the people choose left right or centre for President, they know full well the cabinet will most likely favour the Presidents views.

...and then, ninety percent of the time, they're flabbergasted at just how wrong they were in assuming that.

The beauty of democracy

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

We don't need more elections, we already have too many running unopposed as it is. Do you really think we'd have very competitive elections for these positions?

I'm voting Nay.

[DownWithTheLeft]

We don't need more elections, we already have too many running unopposed as it is. Do you really think we'd have very competitive elections for these positions?

I'm voting Nay.

The election is a yea or nay election if the amendment passes so your point is not valid

[The Man From G.O.P.]

We don't need more elections, we already have too many running unopposed as it is. Do you really think we'd have very competitive elections for these positions?

I'm voting Nay.

The election is a yea or nay election if the amendment passes so your point is not valid

"your point is not valid"

Seriously, when are you resigning?

[DownWithTheLeft]

We don't need more elections, we already have too many running unopposed as it is. Do you really think we'd have very competitive elections for these positions?

I'm voting Nay.

The election is a yea or nay election if the amendment passes so your point is not valid

"your point is not valid"

Seriously, when are you resigning?

His point is not valid, why don't you actually read for once?  He is complaining about not enough people running in elections, but if there is an up or down vote on a candidate then there is no need to have multiple people.  TN2024, if anyone needs to resign it is you for using the senate's time for personal vendettas rather than senate business.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

We don't need more elections, we already have too many running unopposed as it is. Do you really think we'd have very competitive elections for these positions?

I'm voting Nay.

The election is a yea or nay election if the amendment passes so your point is not valid

"your point is not valid"

Seriously, when are you resigning?

His point is not valid, why don't you actually read for once?  He is complaining about not enough people running in elections, but if there is an up or down vote on a candidate then there is no need to have multiple people.  TN2024, if anyone needs to resign it is you for using the senate's time for personal vendettas rather than senate business.

Unfortunately, all the active Senators have expressed displeasure in you not me, so I have no plans to quit.

[DownWithTheLeft]

We don't need more elections, we already have too many running unopposed as it is. Do you really think we'd have very competitive elections for these positions?

I'm voting Nay.

The election is a yea or nay election if the amendment passes so your point is not valid

"your point is not valid"

Seriously, when are you resigning?

His point is not valid, why don't you actually read for once?  He is complaining about not enough people running in elections, but if there is an up or down vote on a candidate then there is no need to have multiple people.  TN2024, if anyone needs to resign it is you for using the senate's time for personal vendettas rather than senate business.

Unfortunately, all the active Senators have expressed displeasure in you not me, so I have no plans to quit.

I have never seen PBrunsel, BrandonH, Jas, Colin Wixted or Ernest call on me to resign, and some have not even expressed displeasure.  Sorry to soft you have become a whiny liberal