Diplomacy: Standard - Spring 1903

[Јas]

Any chance of an update on the reason(s) for the current pause?

Sorry about that; I had two builds that I received yesterday that were invalid, and I didn't want to penalize the two people for my not having read their orders before it was too late, so I decided to give them an extra day to revise their orders.  Both of them are in now, so I'll have the new map up in just a bit.

No problem, just wondering.

[Gabu]

WINTER 1901 - THE BUILDS



SPRING 1902



All players have until Friday, June 29 to get in their spring moves.

[Gabu]

Whoopsies, accidentally left map names on for those screenshots.

Oh well, you know what it should look like.

[minionofmidas]

Thinking Things over with Ludwig von Trondheim

Italy has ambled into Hungary... it's all my successor's fault. Further events in that region could be very interesting indeed, especially if powers refrain from collaborating too closely.
I've no clue what Russia is up to with army build in St Petersburg. You would think they'd either build a fleet in St Pete or an army further south.

[Gabu]

Well, we're now well into Saturday and I still have yet to hear from either Supersoulty or TN2024 in response to the PM I sent them, so... we're gonna have to just carry on without them.

SPRING 1902 - THE MOVES



SUMMER 1902



Austria-Hungary has been defeated at Trieste.  It has until Sunday, July 1 to get in its summer retreat.

[ilikeverin]

Darn my forgetting that Ernest got control of Russia

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Sorry, between me reaching some "bandwidth limit" on the college server, everything wnet nuts, I'm afraid I must yield my throne and surrender all territories to no one.

[ilikeverin]

Psst, Gabu, it seems like my +4 Paper Clip Of Diplomacy Move Compulsion worked, it just misfired and hit the wrong country

Sorry, between me reaching some "bandwidth limit" on the college server, everything wnet nuts, I'm afraid I must yield my throne and surrender all territories to no one.

To me?

[muon2]

Spring 1902 is a critical move since it's the first turn where there are few if any supply centers available. In this case it seems that there are two countries in civil disorder: Germany and Turkey. Germany's problem was addressed by the Emperor's post today.

Is the same true for Turkey? Also, I'm puzzled by the disbanded Turkish fleet in BLA. A retreat to Arm is possible. Was there civil disorder for the summer retreat as well?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Spring 1902 is a critical move since it's the first turn where there are few if any supply centers available. In this case it seems that there are two countries in civil disorder: Germany and Turkey. Germany's problem was addressed by the Emperor's post today.

Is the same true for Turkey? Also, I'm puzzled by the disbanded Turkish fleet in BLA. A retreat to Arm is possible. Was there civil disorder for the summer retreat as well?

Since no order was given to the Turkish fleet, it was disbanded when forced to retreat.  Whether or not that's what the rules state, it is what Realpolitik does unless you at least give the unit an order to stay there.

[muon2]

Spring 1902 is a critical move since it's the first turn where there are few if any supply centers available. In this case it seems that there are two countries in civil disorder: Germany and Turkey. Germany's problem was addressed by the Emperor's post today.

Is the same true for Turkey? Also, I'm puzzled by the disbanded Turkish fleet in BLA. A retreat to Arm is possible. Was there civil disorder for the summer retreat as well?

Since no order was given to the Turkish fleet, it was disbanded when forced to retreat.  Whether or not that's what the rules state, it is what Realpolitik does unless you at least give the unit an order to stay there.

Very interesting, and certainly not the standard rules. According to the 4th Edition (2000) on page 4 it says "Not giving a unit an order is interpreted as ordering it to hold." This seems like a bug in Realpolitik, and IMO the Judge should override and give Turkey an option to retreat or disband.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Probably used by Realpolitik to let it simulate Civil Disorder which Turkey was in and under which a dislodged unit is disbanded,

[muon2]

Probably used by Realpolitik to let it simulate Civil Disorder which Turkey was in and under which a dislodged unit is disbanded,

That may be true, but it's not the rules for the game.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Probably used by Realpolitik to let it simulate Civil Disorder which Turkey was in and under which a dislodged unit is disbanded,

That may be true, but it's not the rules for the game.

See Page 18 under Civil Disorder.

[12th Doctor]

Wait, what?  Disband?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Wait, what?  Disband?

Gabu said he didn't receive any orders from Turkey.  That placed it in Civil Disorder.  Since Russia's attack on the Black Sea Fleet from Romania (and supported by Sevastapol) was able to dislodge it, the lack of orders for all of Turkey's forces caused it to be sunk instead of retreat.

[12th Doctor]

Wait, what?  Disband?

Gabu said he didn't receive any orders from Turkey.  That placed it in Civil Disorder.  Since Russia's attack on the Black Sea Fleet from Romania (and supported by Sevastapol) was able to dislodge it, the lack of orders for all of Turkey's forces caused it to be sunk instead of retreat.

Wait just a damn minute... I thought the discussion period was the work week, then we have until the end of the weekend to give orders.

[muon2]

Probably used by Realpolitik to let it simulate Civil Disorder which Turkey was in and under which a dislodged unit is disbanded,

That may be true, but it's not the rules for the game.

See Page 18 under Civil Disorder.

Interesting. That's an addition compared to my older set of rules. I'm not sure if its an ambiguity in that page 4 an page 18 disagree, or that page 18 represents an overriding rule. I did a browse (certainly not complete) through the diplom.org website and did not find an interpretation there. Clearly Realpolitik has opted for the second interpretation.

[Emsworth]

Wait, what?  Disband?

Gabu said he didn't receive any orders from Turkey.  That placed it in Civil Disorder.  Since Russia's attack on the Black Sea Fleet from Romania (and supported by Sevastapol) was able to dislodge it, the lack of orders for all of Turkey's forces caused it to be sunk instead of retreat.

Wait just a damn minute... I thought the discussion period was the work week, then we have until the end of the weekend to give orders.

I think that normal orders are due on Friday, with retreats/builds taking up the weekend.

I didn't say it explicitly, which I suppose I should have, but muon2 suggested weekdays for moving and weekends for retreating/building, and I agreed that that would work.  But as I said above, I'm giving people until Sunday this time only.

All players have until Friday, June 29 to get in their spring moves.

[Gabu]

Wait, what?  Disband?

Gabu said he didn't receive any orders from Turkey.  That placed it in Civil Disorder.  Since Russia's attack on the Black Sea Fleet from Romania (and supported by Sevastapol) was able to dislodge it, the lack of orders for all of Turkey's forces caused it to be sunk instead of retreat.

Wait just a damn minute... I thought the discussion period was the work week, then we have until the end of the weekend to give orders.

No, you have the work week to get in orders and then the weekend to get in any retreats or builds.  I said this earlier, I posted the note that all players had until Friday to get in orders, and I sent you a PM on Friday telling you that your orders were due and then gave you until mid-day Saturday to respond.  I don't know what more I could have done to get across that orders were due on Friday.

[12th Doctor]

Wait, what?  Disband?

Gabu said he didn't receive any orders from Turkey.  That placed it in Civil Disorder.  Since Russia's attack on the Black Sea Fleet from Romania (and supported by Sevastapol) was able to dislodge it, the lack of orders for all of Turkey's forces caused it to be sunk instead of retreat.

Wait just a damn minute... I thought the discussion period was the work week, then we have until the end of the weekend to give orders.

No, you have the work week to get in orders and then the weekend to get in any retreats or builds.  I said this earlier, I posted the note that all players had until Friday to get in orders, and I sent you a PM on Friday telling you that your orders were due and then gave you until mid-day Saturday to respond.  I don't know what more I could have done to get across that orders were due on Friday.

Alright, fine.  Not like I have a snowballs chance in Hell of winning eitherway.

[Gabu]

SUMMER 1902 - THE RETREATS



FALL 1902



All players have until Friday, July 6 to get their moves.

[muon2]

The fall approaches with the Central Powers under pressure. Two were in civil disorder and the third is subject to an Italian blitzkrieg. Even so, all three can still play a pivotal role in setting up the midgame. The other powers will want to maximize their position and the part of the kingmaker may still be up for grabs. If so, it can keep a second string power in the game for a long and active stretch.

The Russian move out of StP is interesting, but many successful Russian games have come by abandoning either their Black Sea or Barents Sea coasts. It effectively turns them into a conventional three home-center power.

[minionofmidas]

Thinking Things over etc
Ah... Civil War. Love it. Although I guess I should evacuate outta Vienna soon.
I seem to sense a Russian strategy shift - of course, that's because of the change in Prime Ministers there. We'll see if E.K. Ernestyev can hold on to power long and if his priorities will survive if he doesn't.

[Gabu]

I'm considering Germany to be in civil disorder as I haven't heard a single thing from him regarding his absence last time, so I'm not gonna wait up for him this time.

FALL 1902 - THE MOVES



WINTER 1902



England captures:

Sweden (from Russia)
St. Petersburg (from Russia)


Germany loses:

Belgium (to France)
Kiev (to France)


France captures:

Belgium (from Germany)
Kiev (from Germany)


Italy captures:

Greece
Serbia (from Austria-Hungary)
Trieste (from Austria-Hungary)


Austria-Hungary captures:

Rumania (from Russia)

and loses:

Serbia (to Italy)
Trieste (to Italy)


Russia captures:

Bulgaria (from Turkey)

and loses:

Rumania (to Austria-Hungary)
Sweden (to England)
St. Petersburg (to England)


Thus, the following players may (or must) alter their unit counts:

England: build up to 2 units
Germany: remove 1 unit
France: build up to 2 units
Italy: build up to 2 units (theoretically up to 3, but no room exists for the third)
Austria-Hungary: remove 1 unit
Russia: remove 2 units
Turkey: build up to 1 unit

Players have until Sunday, July 8 to get in their builds.  Remember that you may only build units in your original supply centers; you may not build units in supply centers that you did not own in Spring 1901.

(note: Austria-Hungary had only one possible retreat and deleting the unit would have brought no benefit whatsoever, so the retreat was made automatically)