The great big immigration bill debate

[Mesu]

The bill doesn't seriously attempt to solve any policies that contributed to the current situtation. I think they want a future congress to deal with it. Also it changes policy for the worse by ending chain migration.
 
I don't believe I would want a bill that DID solve policy issues from a anti immigration viewpoint though. But it seems like that would be more likely to happen since open boarders is something that gets labeled as unreasonable.

[Mesu]

First, are you categorically stating that there are not now, and never will be any aliens illegally entering this country who will commit terrorists acts here?

Well, perfection is NOT the objective, but reasonable security levels are.

I agree that we shouldn't scare ourselves with the idea of 1 terrorist crossing the border at some point in the future because we didn't go to extreme measures(like alot people want) with security.

Interesting.

Its nice the Mesu admits that he supports "open borders," and opposes border security.  Now, it we could just get Bush, Kennedy, McCain et al to tell the truth.

I've indicted this before however I was still learning my position on immigration when I came to this site. My natural bias was that amnesty was good but still I've read just about every article you posted for the last 2 months(even that so called "excellent" one) and there wasn't anything very compelling.

As far as Bush, Kennedy, and McCain I won't pretend to know what they're thinking but it is interesting how the anti-immigration sentiment has a chilling effect on what senators can say they support.

Gets labeled unreasonable?  Uh, it kind of is.  I had to take my wife to the emergency room last month.  It was packed.  I don't think anyone else in the waiting room spoke English.   It was being used as their primary care.  Hooray, we get to pay for their healthcare.  Lovely.  Just what we need, more dependents --  and they're not even supposed to be here.  What's wrong with this picture?

What's wrong with the picture is they are classified as not supposed to be here. Pretending like we don't to account for them in emerency room funding isn't going to change the situtation(it can only make it worse).

[Mesu]

Oh, I see.  The problem then is the law which doesn't allow them to be here in the first place.  Everyone in Mexico should be allowed to flood across the border and  overrun our health care system paid for in increased insurance premiums by the rest of us.  While we're at it, provide a free education for children of illegals (over a million in my state at $6500 per child), and means tested welfare payments for millions of low wage illegals.  All paid for by taxes paid for by American citizens.  Hell, no wonder the Mexican government publishes instructional pamplets on how to get across the border.

I don't know to what extent open borders are or aren't possible but if the legislature somehow "knows"  then they might just as well not know because that's not the primary reason for their policy decisions(The reason wide spread immigration laws were first created in 1882 wasn't because open borders are unreasonable).

It is generally a good idea for law to reflect reality ESPECIALLY when the actions of individuals breaking the law isn't directly harming anyone. If a gradual approach to open borders would work we should do that. What is not a good idea is making it so emergency rooms will deny visits to illegal immigrants based on the fact that they are not legal or can't prove they are legal.

The Mexican government can't believe their good fortune.  Dumb gringos.  Approximately 3000 cross the border every day.  The U. S. is the land of milk and honey.  Their milk and honey, our bill.

And if they were made legal they would be part of us. I don't see how the perspective of mexican government is that important.

First, its too bad you are incapable of understanding the articles I have posted.

Second, it may have something to do with you inability to communicate effectively in English and your dedication to irrationality.

I'm putting you on the ignore list until you learn English, stop making things up, and try thinking rather than emoting.

And if I had a anti-amnesty bias when I read those articles I doubt I could end up your ignore list. That's fine though I didn't come here to annoy you with my views about immigration.