Large ongoing terrorist attack in Moscow

[PSOL]

I have a feeling this was organized by Putin as a false flag operation to pin it on Ukraine.

Possible, though I think it's more likely he was warned by his own intel and others (including the US, which according to his logic are such an evil enemy they warn him of a threat against his own people) and deliberatly let it happen for the same purpose. The man doesn't value human life at all, including lives of ordinary Russians. Otherwise he wouldn't send young men to die en masse for his imperial delusions.

Has there ever been a Russian leader who valued human life? I had a friend who was an avowed Russophile but openly admitted that they are the most cruel and unsentimental people in Europe.

I mean Russia did have Gorbachev and Yeltsin and while the latter was massively incompetent he still was far better on human rights than the vast majority of Russian leaders.

If Yeltsin was a competent leader , Russia may have become at least a Japanese style democracy by now

Yeah, Yeltsin generally had a laid back, chummy attitude. Unfortunately he was also a drunk.

When he was sober Yeltsin was not any better. If anything his drunkenness prevented him from being competent enough to do more damage.

[Sir Mohamed]

Quite clear Putin is pinning this on Ukraine because it fits his narrative and distracts from the real scandal, that he and his apparatus blatently ignored any warnings. I don't believe it was staged by Putin's regime themselves, though they're already exploiting it for their imperialism. Unfortunately that could risk more attacks by ISIS as Russian authorities apparently don't watch radical islamists enough.

[All Along The Watchtower]

To be fair, it’s not like it’s easy to infiltrate jihadist groups. Especially as ISIS-K operatives in Russia are heavily Central Asian, so the Russian services rely on Central Asian countries’ intelligence services—intelligence services that make Russia’s look professional and non-politicized. 

That being said, Putin’s brusque dismissal of the American warning is certainly indefensible, and the more security resources are spent on the war in Ukraine or suppressing Russian dissenters, the less focus there is on real threats to Russians such as ISIS-K.

[Landslide Lyndon]

That's what happens when internal security services are too busy spying your own people instead of legitimate threats.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

That's what happens when internal security services are too busy spying your own people instead of legitimate threats.

Rare smart Lyndon post.

President Biden and the NSA should take note.

[nicholas.slaydon]

That's what happens when internal security services are too busy spying your own people instead of legitimate threats.

Rare smart Lyndon post.

President Biden and the NSA should take note.

President Biden and US national security structures knew about and warned of this attack. I think they have everything under as much control as is possible.

[GeneralMacArthur]

That's what happens when internal security services are too busy spying your own people instead of legitimate threats.

Rare smart Lyndon post.

President Biden and the NSA should take note.

President Biden and US national security structures knew about and warned of this attack. I think they have everything under as much control as is possible.

Two years ago President Biden told Ukraine weeks in advance that Russia was going to invade and specified the exact battle plan Russia would use and the exact date and time, down to the minute, that things would happen.  And Ukraine didn't listen.

Two weeks ago President Biden told Russia that ISIS was going to do a terror attack in Moscow, and specified the exact target and tactic ISIS would use.  And Russia didn't listen.

One of these days people will actually listen to Biden...

[jaichind]

I like how the USA intelligence can rule out Ukraine involvement within days but still could not figure out who did Nord Stream 2 sabotage.   

[dead0man]

to be fair, they might know who did it but aren't publicly saying for political reasons.  Ya know, like every other intelligence agency does.  What would be the point of them if they just stated every fact they knew to the press?

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I don't believe it was staged by Putin's regime themselves

Agreed. Those 1999 apartment bombings on the other hand were highly sus.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Just saw the news where the 4 suspects were dragged into court in:

1. A coma;
2. A chair with a beaten head;
3. Bandages with beaten head;
4. A swollen face.

Who says lifelong torture does not exist in 2024 ?

The KGB is going to beat them to death with a rubber hose over the next 40 years of their solitary existence.

[CumbrianLefty]

I don't believe it was staged by Putin's regime themselves

Agreed. Those 1999 apartment bombings on the other hand were highly sus.

A rare instance of a "false flag" allegation actually being plausible if not likely.

The problem is, too many have used it to claim almost all such events are "really" that.

Not so, even in Putin's Russia.

[Storr]

"Classic Lukashenko. He’s announced that the Crocus Hall gunmen were heading for Ukraine because they realised they couldn’t cross into Belarus… thereby undermining Putin’s story…"

https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1772607893767967145?s=20

[jaichind]

Two weeks ago President Biden told Russia that ISIS was going to do a terror attack in Moscow, and specified the exact target and tactic ISIS would use.  And Russia didn't listen.

One of these days people will actually listen to Biden...

1) I do not believe that the warning stated ISIS
2) That warning covered a 2 day period which has long since passed when this attack took place

[Meclazine for Israel]

Two weeks ago President Biden told Russia that ISIS was going to do a terror attack in Moscow, and specified the exact target and tactic ISIS would use.  And Russia didn't listen.

One of these days people will actually listen to Biden...

1) I do not believe that the warning stated ISIS
2) That warning covered a 2 day period which has long since passed when this attack took place

7 March 2024.

Location: Moscow, Russia

The US Embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and U.S. citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours.

Actions to Take:

Avoid crowds.
Monitor local media for updates.
Be aware of your surroundings.

Apart from the date, intelligence does not get better than that. The question is how often do we see false flags on these reports.

[jaichind]

Putin's line looks a lot like Bush II and 911: "Yes, it as Al Queda/ISIS-K but we need to look into Al Queda/ISIS-K links to Saddam/Ukraine"    In the end there was no real connection between Al Queda and Saddam.  What role Ukraine plays in this attack is still not clear but it is on Putin to prove the link which clearly Bush II in the end failed to prove. 

[TheReckoning]

Putin's line looks a lot like Bush II and 911: "Yes, it as Al Queda/ISIS-K but we need to look into Al Queda/ISIS-K links to Saddam/Ukraine"    In the end there was no real connection between Al Queda and Saddam.  What role Ukraine plays in this attack is still not clear but it is on Putin to prove the link which clearly Bush II in the end failed to prove. 

Do you think the invasion of Iraq was good? What’s your overall opinion on Bush II?

[jaichind]

Putin's line looks a lot like Bush II and 911: "Yes, it as Al Queda/ISIS-K but we need to look into Al Queda/ISIS-K links to Saddam/Ukraine"    In the end there was no real connection between Al Queda and Saddam.  What role Ukraine plays in this attack is still not clear but it is on Putin to prove the link which clearly Bush II in the end failed to prove. 

Do you think the invasion of Iraq was good? What’s your overall opinion on Bush II?

Extremely negative on both.  The day Bush II invaded Iraq was the day I stopped voting for GOP until 2008.  I only voted 3rd party between 2003 to 2008.  I only started to vote GOP again after Bush II left office.

[GMantis]

Has there ever been a Russian leader who valued human life? I had a friend who was an avowed Russophile but openly admitted that they are the most cruel and unsentimental people in Europe.

Don't worry: you can openly make such statements here without ascribing them to imaginary "Russophile" friends.

[Meclazine for Israel]

They have been suffocating this guy with a bag on his head.

The Russian Justice System would have more credibility if they didn't beat their accused half to death.

Accused Terrorist

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C46QFRlKPY2/

This guy reckons one of them was forced to eat his own ear.

Tortured Terrorists

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4_Duf-sw46/

[quesaisje]

Interesting post-script and one that tells you something about Russian domestic politics and Putin's need for message discipline:

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the orchestrators of the terrorist attack at Moscow’s Crocus City Hall aimed to “destroy the unity” of Russians, reports Interfax. Putin made the remarks while speaking at a Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia congress on Thursday.

“Judging by the current findings of the investigation, we have every reason to believe that the main goal of the perpetrators of the bloody, horrendous terrorist act in Moscow was to destroy our unity,” said Putin. “There are no other apparent goals; they do not exist because Russia cannot be a target of terrorist attacks by Islamic fundamentalists.”

According to Putin, Russia sets a unique example of interfaith harmony and unity, as well as interreligious and interethnic unity. “And on the international stage, [Russia] conducts itself in such a manner that it would hardly be targeted by Islamic fundamentalists,” Putin added.

It doesn't take much to see a tactical resemblance to the post-9/11 cliché of claiming that Al Qaeda targeted the United States because "they hate our freedom." When faced with a significant happening, channel the public response to that into a core national value that you can use in the service of what you were doing anyway.

[jaichind]

https://www.rferl.org/a/tajikista-turkey-cancels-visa-free/32894515.html

"Turkey Cancels Visa-Free Travel For Tajik Citizens"

[TheReckoning]

Interesting how this attack got a lot less attention than the ones in Paris in November 2015, despite this attack having a higher death toll.

[DaleCooper]

Interesting how this attack got a lot less attention than the ones in Paris in November 2015, despite this attack having a higher death toll.

Because Russia is not a sympathetic "victim"

[TheReckoning]

Interesting how this attack got a lot less attention than the ones in Paris in November 2015, despite this attack having a higher death toll.

Because Russia is not a sympathetic "victim"

The deaths of innocents in Russia are just as tragic as those in France. But in a world where money- not human life- reigns supreme, it makes sense that people don’t care about poorer people dying compared to wealthier people.