Arizona Supreme Court rules to uphold 1864 near total abortion ban

[wbrocks67]

This is a *direct* consequence of Roe v. Wade falling.

https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/1777744471951544672

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Females can still send kids to adopt, Birth control pills and go to CA for abortion . We still have condems and birth control pills.


Also, there is nothing wrong with sending kids to adopt

[GAinDC]

Biden wins Arizona

[Thank you for being a friend...]

You mean to tell me that the state of Arizona hasn't updated their laws on abortion since before Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?

and I thought AZ wasn't a state until the late 1800s or early 1900s?

[Ancestral Republican]

Republican Party has had an 1864 mindset for a while now. Unfortunately on a different team than the one their party's founders were on at the same time.

[Landslide Lyndon]

DC Press Corps: Here is why this is good for Trump

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

RIP Dave Schweikert and Juan Ciscomani.

[SWE]

You mean to tell me that the state of Arizona hasn't updated their laws on abortion since before Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?

and I thought AZ wasn't a state until the late 1800s or early 1900s?

Territories still had laws

[quesaisje]

The current attorney general had pledged not to enforce this, but that doesn't mean that it won't affect health care delivery in the meantime.

I wonder what kind of conversations doctors and health care administrators across the state are having with their lawyers.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Please explain to us how Trump's pledge to just leave it to the states will help him and won't be a problem in any swing states.

[wbrocks67]

Honestly, you could not script this better.

Trump on Monday: yells about "states rights", people act as if this is somehow good for him
Arizona on Tuesday: states rights? okay we're banning abortion completely

[GAinDC]

What does Trump have to say about this? Will any reporters even ask him?

[Thank you for being a friend...]

You mean to tell me that the state of Arizona hasn't updated their laws on abortion since before Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?

and I thought AZ wasn't a state until the late 1800s or early 1900s?

Territories still had laws

ok I see, so the laws when it was a territory were all brought over into the new states law books after statehood occurred.  I'm just very surprised by this decision, that the court would look to a law from 1864 in the year 2024.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

You mean to tell me that the state of Arizona hasn't updated their laws on abortion since before Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?

and I thought AZ wasn't a state until the late 1800s or early 1900s?

Territories still had laws

The total population of Arizona was about 7,000 people in 1864.  The idea that a law somehow "passed" by that territorial population would bind a state today of over 7 million is pretty laughable.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

You can thank the "McCain" Republicans for this one.

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

Hard to see Arizona voting for Trump after this, especially with the option to overturn on the ballot.

[GALeftist]

Terrible. Very fortunate that the voters will soon override this decision, but this is an objectively absurd state of affairs.

[Stranger in a strange land]

You mean to tell me that the state of Arizona hasn't updated their laws on abortion since before Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?

and I thought AZ wasn't a state until the late 1800s or early 1900s?

The Arizona Territory was established in 1863 (there were actually rival territorial governments during the Civil War, with Southern Arizona briefly under Confederate Control), and had organic self-government from that point onward, but it didn't become a state until 1912.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

When Kari Lake opposes the decision...

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1777763769890071022

Absolute sh**t ruling. 

[SWE]

You mean to tell me that the state of Arizona hasn't updated their laws on abortion since before Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?

and I thought AZ wasn't a state until the late 1800s or early 1900s?

Territories still had laws

The total population of Arizona was about 7,000 people in 1864.  The idea that a law somehow "passed" by that territorial population would bind a state today of over 7 million is pretty laughable.

What? Laws don't just go away when the population increases. If an old law is no longer reflective of current attitudes, it can be repealed. If it isn't, then it's still the law. This particular law has been reaffirmed by the Arizona legislature in the early 1900s when it revised its criminal code and again in the 70s. This case was a dispute over whether or not the law was repealed - I haven't read the case yet and don't really know anything about Arizona law so I have no idea who's right as a matter of statutory construction. Obviously my preference would be for the dissents interpretation to win out, but if a law is on the books, it's still the law until somebody changes it, it's not going to magically go away because it was too old

[GeorgiaModerate]

When Kari Lake opposes the decision...

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1777763769890071022
Absolute sh**t ruling. 

I'm pretty sure that in her gubernatorial campaign, she said she supported the 1864 law.  Someone should ask her how her views have evolved.

[soundchaser]

Bold of Lake to call it “a very personal issue” and then say it should be “decided by each individual state.” Pretty easy to see through that rhetoric.

[quesaisje]

When Kari Lake opposes the decision...

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1777763769890071022
Absolute sh**t ruling.  

“We have a great law on the books right now, if that happens, we will be a state where we will not be taking the lives of our unborn anymore.”

That's where she was not long ago.

She has been pivoting on this over the past couple of years. Rarely with much grace.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Let's discuss what else existed in medicine during the 1860's, shall we?

- It was still believed that the body was made up of four humors: phlegm, black bile, yellow bile, and blood.  The balance of these humors was believed to contribute to a person's health and mental stability. 

- The idea of germs and bacteria causing illness was radical and widely controversial. 

- We administered mercury and lead to treat illness. 

- We used "water therapy", where people suffering from mental illness were forcibly held underwater until they lost consciousness.  If they could be revived, it was believed they would be cured. 

Let's bring these things back while we're at it. 

[John Dule]

Bad news for the women of Arizona. Excellent news for Biden.