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« Reply #425 on: April 30, 2024, 05:14:35 PM »

Columbia is well on its way to being CUNY-Morningside at this rate. With the 90K tuition. At least the CUNYs don't cost much
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« Reply #426 on: April 30, 2024, 05:16:47 PM »



Wow. My alma matter making the news again! Heard things were pretty wild in Chapel Hill today.
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« Reply #427 on: April 30, 2024, 05:18:51 PM »

Freeing Gaza, Columbia style:

Step 1: Occupy building with no food in it after being told not to by the building's owners
Step 2: Ask the people whose building you are occupying to please give you food for some reason
Step 3: Huh
Step 4: Palestine is free


I haven't commented much because I don't feel like these protests are anything worth making a big fuss about, but this is just stupid. Maybe next time they try this they can consider a building which would be easier to supply so that they don't have to pathetically beg the people they are protesting for food.

For what its worth I also don't see why anyone would think that calling in the Guard to all the encampments is a good move here. For a bunch of teenagers in tents on the quad?
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« Reply #428 on: April 30, 2024, 05:23:37 PM »
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The governor should call in the national guard

Because that worked out so well in Ohio.

That’s not the only example . It worked out great in California for example

People who take life lessons from a man who sold weapons to Iran to fund authoritarian paramilitaries ought to take a good, hard look at themselves.

Who was the President that ordered a strike that killed ten civilians and children, and then lied and tried to claim they were Islamic State terrorists in 2021? It certainly doesn't stop people from being allowed to look at his other actions, because that's not a good standard for discussions.
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« Reply #429 on: April 30, 2024, 05:39:09 PM »

A hilarious clip, in which one of the leaders demands that Columbia bring them food and water (while they illegally occupy campus buildings) for “humanitarian” reasons. At the root of it all is sort of a narcissistic jealousy that the Palestinians get to experience the excitement of hardship and oppression while they have to live their peaceful, wealthy, boring lives here in America.


Seems far more likely that Columbia and NYPD are trying to starve them out, rather than this picture you're trying to paint of 'Entitled protesting kids want delivery, too!' Since the moment they leave to get supplies I doubt they'd be allowed to continue the protest.

Same tactics as always to suppress the people and speech. Hopefully they can figure out a way to get supplies in.

Yes they will get arrested if they leave the building because they are in violation of the law . That’s how things work
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« Reply #430 on: April 30, 2024, 05:41:21 PM »

NYPD now saying that "protesters" inside Hamilton Hall will be hit with burglary charges. Burglary is a felony in NYS
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« Reply #431 on: April 30, 2024, 05:42:33 PM »

A hilarious clip, in which one of the leaders demands that Columbia bring them food and water (while they illegally occupy campus buildings) for “humanitarian” reasons. At the root of it all is sort of a narcissistic jealousy that the Palestinians get to experience the excitement of hardship and oppression while they have to live their peaceful, wealthy, boring lives here in America.


Seems far more likely that Columbia and NYPD are trying to starve them out, rather than this picture you're trying to paint of 'Entitled protesting kids want delivery, too!' Since the moment they leave to get supplies I doubt they'd be allowed to continue the protest.

Same tactics as always to suppress the people and speech. Hopefully they can figure out a way to get supplies in.

Yes they will get arrested if they leave the building because they are in violation of the law . That’s how things work

Yeah, the NYPD just announced the folks who hijacked the building will get hit with burglary charges (a felony)
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« Reply #432 on: April 30, 2024, 05:47:30 PM »

Who was the President that ordered a strike that killed ten civilians and children, and then lied and tried to claim they were Islamic State terrorists in 2021? It certainly doesn't stop people from being allowed to look at his other actions, because that's not a good standard for discussions.

As I recall the military explained the next day or something what happened. I remember watching that press conference. There's no evidence anybody lied.
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« Reply #433 on: April 30, 2024, 05:47:59 PM »

Brown agrees to Israel divestment vote as House GOP digs in on antisemitism in a busy day for student protests

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The college protests across the nation saw a slew of headline-grabbing developments on Tuesday, including the takeover of a building at Columbia University, a new House-wide effort by Republicans to investigate antisemitism and a major victory for activists at Brown University. 

The big success of the day for pro-Palestinian protesters came out of Brown, where President Christina Paxson announced Tuesday that students will end their encampment after an agreement was reached between school administrators and leaders of the protest to hold an Israel divestment vote.

The school agreed to let five students meet with the Corporation of Brown University in May to argue why they should vote to divest from companies associated with Israel or its war in Gaza. The Advisory Committee on University Resources Management will also provide recommendations related to divestment by the end of September, and the board will vote on the policy in October.

In exchange, students have agreed to take down the encampment and not violate the Rhode Island school’s rules around protesting through the end of the academic year, including during commencement.

“Another provision of the agreement relates to the application of Brown’s conduct code to students involved in the encampment. The establishment of tents and other related activities have violated a range of policies, and while Brown will continue to follow its conduct processes related to unauthorized activities, University leaders agreed that ending the encampment will be viewed favorably in disciplinary proceedings,” Paxson said. 

“The agreement also makes clear that reports of bias, harassment or discrimination received during the encampment will continue to be investigated. In addition, if the University receives new information about any conduct violations related to or following the encampment, students won’t be exempt from conduct proceedings for those violations,” she added. 
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« Reply #434 on: April 30, 2024, 05:51:26 PM »

Brown agrees to Israel divestment vote as House GOP digs in on antisemitism in a busy day for student protests

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The college protests across the nation saw a slew of headline-grabbing developments on Tuesday, including the takeover of a building at Columbia University, a new House-wide effort by Republicans to investigate antisemitism and a major victory for activists at Brown University.  

The big success of the day for pro-Palestinian protesters came out of Brown, where President Christina Paxson announced Tuesday that students will end their encampment after an agreement was reached between school administrators and leaders of the protest to hold an Israel divestment vote.

The school agreed to let five students meet with the Corporation of Brown University in May to argue why they should vote to divest from companies associated with Israel or its war in Gaza. The Advisory Committee on University Resources Management will also provide recommendations related to divestment by the end of September, and the board will vote on the policy in October.

In exchange, students have agreed to take down the encampment and not violate the Rhode Island school’s rules around protesting through the end of the academic year, including during commencement.

“Another provision of the agreement relates to the application of Brown’s conduct code to students involved in the encampment. The establishment of tents and other related activities have violated a range of policies, and while Brown will continue to follow its conduct processes related to unauthorized activities, University leaders agreed that ending the encampment will be viewed favorably in disciplinary proceedings,” Paxson said.  

“The agreement also makes clear that reports of bias, harassment or discrimination received during the encampment will continue to be investigated. In addition, if the University receives new information about any conduct violations related to or following the encampment, students won’t be exempt from conduct proceedings for those violations,” she added.

That's a positive, and notably shows that the protesters contrary to the slander are rational people. And yet some continue to want to die on the hill of weapons manufacturers having a massive piece of the pie when it comes to educational endowments and investments. Why?
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« Reply #435 on: April 30, 2024, 05:54:00 PM »

Brown agrees to Israel divestment vote as House GOP digs in on antisemitism in a busy day for student protests

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The college protests across the nation saw a slew of headline-grabbing developments on Tuesday, including the takeover of a building at Columbia University, a new House-wide effort by Republicans to investigate antisemitism and a major victory for activists at Brown University. 

The big success of the day for pro-Palestinian protesters came out of Brown, where President Christina Paxson announced Tuesday that students will end their encampment after an agreement was reached between school administrators and leaders of the protest to hold an Israel divestment vote.

The school agreed to let five students meet with the Corporation of Brown University in May to argue why they should vote to divest from companies associated with Israel or its war in Gaza. The Advisory Committee on University Resources Management will also provide recommendations related to divestment by the end of September, and the board will vote on the policy in October.

In exchange, students have agreed to take down the encampment and not violate the Rhode Island school’s rules around protesting through the end of the academic year, including during commencement.

“Another provision of the agreement relates to the application of Brown’s conduct code to students involved in the encampment. The establishment of tents and other related activities have violated a range of policies, and while Brown will continue to follow its conduct processes related to unauthorized activities, University leaders agreed that ending the encampment will be viewed favorably in disciplinary proceedings,” Paxson said. 

“The agreement also makes clear that reports of bias, harassment or discrimination received during the encampment will continue to be investigated. In addition, if the University receives new information about any conduct violations related to or following the encampment, students won’t be exempt from conduct proceedings for those violations,” she added. 

But I thought all these protestors were bloodthirsty anti-semites who deserve to be tear gassed Huh
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« Reply #436 on: April 30, 2024, 05:56:59 PM »

There needs to be a way to redefine American patriotism away from the view that "pro-America = pro-hawkish / pro-war in every possible instance". Ironically the America First right has done it first under Trump. Now the left needs its own equivalent. Take care of our own people first and invest domestically over wars abroad. That has always been a left-wing mantra for as long as I can remember.
hatred of America (and western civilization more broadly) is one of their key uniting principles.  There is zero chance these people would ever accept even the most neutered pro America sloganeering.
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« Reply #437 on: April 30, 2024, 06:11:52 PM »

Who was the President that ordered a strike that killed ten civilians and children, and then lied and tried to claim they were Islamic State terrorists in 2021? It certainly doesn't stop people from being allowed to look at his other actions, because that's not a good standard for discussions.

As I recall the military explained the next day or something what happened. I remember watching that press conference. There's no evidence anybody lied.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/29/kabul-airlift-enters-final-phase-us-warns-of-more-attacks-live

"The United States has carried out a drone strike against a vehicle of suicide bombers linked to the Afghan ISIL affiliate that intended to target the Kabul airport, US Central Command (CENTCOM) has said." The incident has been thoroughly memory-holed by everyone, regrettably, as it doesn't fit many good narratives.
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« Reply #438 on: April 30, 2024, 06:17:17 PM »

The governor should call in the national guard

Because that worked out so well in Ohio.

That’s not the only example . It worked out great in California for example

People who take life lessons from a man who sold weapons to Iran to fund authoritarian paramilitaries ought to take a good, hard look at themselves.
Asinine take, last prez to not have blood on his hands was Garfield prolly, it’s part of the job

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« Reply #439 on: April 30, 2024, 06:18:10 PM »

Inevitable.  The University showed its belly yesterday when it didn't expel them and sweep the encampment at 2PM as threatened.  The protestors took advantage of that obvious display of weakness by amping up the violence and lawlessness.

I know everyone is cowed by social media these days and doesn't want to be on the receiving end of a bunch of edited, decontextualized clips that make ordinary police maneuvers look like violence enacted against students by the university.  But it's inevitably going to be required one way or another, since at this point that's the only way this ends.  By prolonging the inevitable, Columbia is only making things worse for itself by giving the students license to humiliate it more and more and more.

By the way, this break-in was organized by a woman from Extinction Rebellion who calls herself a "professional protest consultant." It's possible it was her idea in the first place.  You can find plenty of clips of her guiding the students -- the only one in the mob not wearing a mask, since her identity is well known.  Anyone who thinks this phenomenon is just some students spontaneously demonstrating for freedom at this point is a sucker.  It's a cesspool where all the worst people on the activist left are flourishing in the muck.

Calm down, Nixon.
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« Reply #440 on: April 30, 2024, 06:18:24 PM »

Honestly this whole thing is a big example of the Streisand effect. I hadn’t really heard of or paid attention to most of these protests until they started sending cops in.

I mean, the point of a protest is to garner attention for your cause. So I guess it worked?

Even if much of the attention is negative, the media coverage will still get some people to come out and support the protests.

The ironic (but perhaps, on some level conscious or sub-conscious, deliberate) thing is that what this draws attention to is the protestors themselves.

Actual conditions in Gaza haven't been in the news for the last couple of weeks because campus protests at big name schools have sucked up all of the oxygen. This after the steady drip of news of Israel's atrocities slowly turned public opinion against them. But as a former college activist, I can attest that there is nothing more intoxicating than attention to your protests, even if it is strategically ineffective or even counterproductive.
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« Reply #441 on: April 30, 2024, 06:26:07 PM »

Arrest and charge them all.
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« Reply #442 on: April 30, 2024, 06:41:29 PM »

A total mess. These people are embarrassing. This is my issue with a lot of the protests - some have been in good faith, but a lot of them have been performative with nothing that has to actually do with Gaza or Palestinians.
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« Reply #443 on: April 30, 2024, 06:48:47 PM »

Remember when they did this two years ago to protest the US-backed Saudi bombing of Yemen?
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« Reply #444 on: April 30, 2024, 07:00:35 PM »

Who was the President that ordered a strike that killed ten civilians and children, and then lied and tried to claim they were Islamic State terrorists in 2021? It certainly doesn't stop people from being allowed to look at his other actions, because that's not a good standard for discussions.

As I recall the military explained the next day or something what happened. I remember watching that press conference. There's no evidence anybody lied.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/29/kabul-airlift-enters-final-phase-us-warns-of-more-attacks-live

"The United States has carried out a drone strike against a vehicle of suicide bombers linked to the Afghan ISIL affiliate that intended to target the Kabul airport, US Central Command (CENTCOM) has said." The incident has been thoroughly memory-holed by everyone, regrettably, as it doesn't fit many good narratives.

That's not evidence of a lie. You think they knew instantly it was a bad target? Are you telling me the press conference I mentioned didn't happen? Huh
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« Reply #445 on: April 30, 2024, 07:01:12 PM »

It's so weird to see leftists bring up police killing protestors. I haven't seen anyone on the right advocate for this, which is surprising how we keep being told they very self-evidently want it. I'm starting to wonder if it's in fact the leftists who keep bringing this up who actually want to see it and feigning concern to voice this opinion...
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« Reply #446 on: April 30, 2024, 07:58:21 PM »

It's so weird to see leftists bring up police killing protestors. I haven't seen anyone on the right advocate for this, which is surprising how we keep being told they very self-evidently want it. I'm starting to wonder if it's in fact the leftists who keep bringing this up who actually want to see it and feigning concern to voice this opinion...

Holy hell.

Talk about trying to mischaracterise an argument!  Kent State did not happen on the orders of politicians; it happened because Guardsmen got itchy trigger fingers after politicians wanted to look tough by sending armed soldiers onto a university campus which ended in an entirely predictable result.
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« Reply #447 on: April 30, 2024, 08:09:48 PM »

These people are absolutely ridiculous. This is so over the top. So now Columbia University - a school that has nothing to do with Israel and Gaza - is now responsible for "40,000 deaths" in Gaza?

They have truly lost the plot. This is the same as the QAnon-level people saying Starbucks is a conspirator in genocide at this point. Words have lost all meaning bc of these people
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« Reply #448 on: April 30, 2024, 08:14:07 PM »

It looks like the raid on Columbia is incoming. Prayers for a quick and effective operation that will result in as few injuries as possible, but that's largely in the hands of the "occupiers".
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« Reply #449 on: April 30, 2024, 08:17:35 PM »

It looks like the raid on Columbia is incoming. Prayers for a quick and effective operation that will result in as few injuries as possible, but that's largely in the hands of the "occupiers".

As I said above, Kent State did not happen on the orders of politicians. It happened because they sent armed soldiers onto a university campus to look tough, and then those soldiers got itchy trigger fingers because of the rhetoric coming from certain people.

That's what I fear will happen here. If any students are shot by Guardsmen or police, it will be plastered everywhere from now until election day.
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