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« on: July 08, 2007, 05:54:29 PM »

yes.

shed most definitely carry nm and ia.

shed have a good shot at nv, co and oh.
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2007, 06:00:49 PM »

yes she should....

The following states I think are on the table:

New Mexico
Nevada
Colorado
Ohio
Iowa
Florida
Arkansas

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2007, 06:14:26 PM »

I concur with the list poughies posted.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2007, 06:21:44 PM »

yes she should....

The following states I think are on the table:

New Mexico
Nevada
Colorado
Ohio
Iowa
Florida
Arkansas



also NH if you are counting that as a Bush State
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2007, 06:26:04 PM »

yes she should....

The following states I think are on the table:

New Mexico
Nevada
Colorado
Ohio
Iowa
Florida
Arkansas



If she's got Ark and Iowa, she can take Missouri, too.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2007, 06:26:47 PM »

Ohio and New Mexico most likely, IA is probable, but outside of that I don't know. Florida, I don't know, the parties I don't know yet are strongest to sweep all three, it would be a blowout of over 300 ev. I think Giuliani is stronger than that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 06:27:48 PM »

New Mexico, Iowa and Ohio are her likely pickups.

Nevada and Colorado are unlikely though she does have a very slim shot.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 06:28:05 PM »

Have there been any polls released showing Hillary's status in Arkansas? In a 50-50 race, conventional wisdom says she loses the state, but one never knows...
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 06:48:26 PM »

Depends on the opponent

Thompson: Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida

Romney: West Virginia, Arkansas, Ohio, possibly Florida

Giuliani: Iowa, Ohio

McCain: Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2007, 06:54:18 PM »

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which shows how this election is all about OH...without it the GOP cannot win realistically....although the dems could win with enough pickups in the midwest and southwest
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 06:57:16 PM »

She would carry Ohio against just about any Republican (as any serious Democrat would). She would have a great shot at New Mexico and Florida as well. Some of the states would depend on who her opponent was. Obama, Edwards and Richardson would all still fare much better in the red states.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 07:00:48 PM »

Also, Virginia could be interesting... depending on the senate race of course.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 07:03:48 PM »

Also, Virginia could be interesting... depending on the senate race of course.

Not with Clinton though...with Edwards or maybe even Obama or Richardson...but not Clinton.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2007, 07:25:45 PM »

Depends on the opponent

Thompson: Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida

Romney: West Virginia, Arkansas, Ohio, possibly Florida

Giuliani: Iowa, Ohio

McCain: Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida

My take:

Thompson: West Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, Nevada

Romney: West Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, Nevada

Giuliani: West Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Iowa, Ohio

McCain: Arkansas, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, Nevada

I don't know why so many are overlooking Nevada, considering it was basically the national average last time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 08:04:22 PM »

Hillary is not well liked in Ohio...or really anywhere. My take is that it goes for the GOP if McCain, Thompson or Giuliani is nominee. If Al Gore and John Kerry didn't win Ohio...against George Bush...how the heck can Shrillary?
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2007, 08:20:03 PM »

Iowa and New Mexico will most likely go to Hillary this time are but especailly Iowa since she would play well there. Colorado,and Nevada are decent shots for her Hillary,She would play well in Nevada given the large number of labor unions there,However with Colorado it leans to the Republicans by the slightest margins. Ohio is up in the air but leans Democratic at the current time considering that the Republicans are still recovering from the 2006 aftershocks there,and in Florida it leans Republican at the current time and I think it is going to go more strongly Republican this time around then in 04.   
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2007, 08:20:10 PM »

Hillary is not well liked in Ohio...or really anywhere. My take is that it goes for the GOP if McCain, Thompson or Giuliani is nominee. If Al Gore and John Kerry didn't win Ohio...against George Bush...how the heck can Shrillary?

...because the Republican party is now considered a joke (especially in Ohio).
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2007, 08:24:13 PM »
« Edited: July 08, 2007, 08:25:54 PM by Buckeye Mike »

Hillary is not well liked in Ohio...or really anywhere. My take is that it goes for the GOP if McCain, Thompson or Giuliani is nominee. If Al Gore and John Kerry didn't win Ohio...against George Bush...how the heck can Shrillary?

...because the Republican party is now considered a joke (especially in Ohio).

See, but when people see the names on the ballot:

Rudolph Giuliani for President
Hillary Clinton for President....

That doesn't make a difference. Many people deeply think about the future once they get into that voting booth. Ohio is a wild card. I know a chick who hated George Bush and was gonna vote for Kerry, then she heard Kerry joke, "We have better hair" and said he was an ass, and voted for Bush. Ohioans are a wildcard. Like when the Gore 2000 campaign thought Gore would win Ohio by winning older women on his anti-gun stance...when he actually lost Ohio to older women because of his anti-gun stance.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2007, 08:26:04 PM »

People will see a guy on the ballot who promises to continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, and they'll vote for the main candidate running against him.
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2007, 08:39:18 PM »

People will see a guy on the ballot who promises to continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, and they'll vote for the main candidate running against him.

I disagree. Hillary is not anti-war...neither is Giuliani. If the War on Terror in Iraq is the main issue next year, and we have two candidates that want to change or end the war but are not staunch anti-war...then the voters move to likeability, which Rudy has much more of than Hillary.
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2007, 09:19:05 PM »

Hillary is not well liked in Ohio...or really anywhere. My take is that it goes for the GOP if McCain, Thompson or Giuliani is nominee. If Al Gore and John Kerry didn't win Ohio...against George Bush...how the heck can Shrillary?

It's called the republican party in Ohio
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2007, 09:20:47 PM »

Hillary is not well liked in Ohio...or really anywhere. My take is that it goes for the GOP if McCain, Thompson or Giuliani is nominee. If Al Gore and John Kerry didn't win Ohio...against George Bush...how the heck can Shrillary?

It's called the republican party in Ohio

Dangerous thing to pin chances on...
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2007, 09:33:06 PM »

People will see a guy on the ballot who promises to continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, and they'll vote for the main candidate running against him.

I disagree. Hillary is not anti-war...neither is Giuliani. If the War on Terror in Iraq is the main issue next year, and we have two candidates that want to change or end the war but are not staunch anti-war...then the voters move to likeability, which Rudy has much more of than Hillary.

Hillary wants to set a date for ending the war. Giuliani wants to continue it indefinitely. Huge difference. I also have no doubt you'd say unambigously anti-war Obama and Edwards would lose Ohio.
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2007, 10:06:31 PM »

People will see a guy on the ballot who promises to continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, and they'll vote for the main candidate running against him.

I disagree. Hillary is not anti-war...neither is Giuliani. If the War on Terror in Iraq is the main issue next year, and we have two candidates that want to change or end the war but are not staunch anti-war...then the voters move to likeability, which Rudy has much more of than Hillary.

Hillary wants to set a date for ending the war. Giuliani wants to continue it indefinitely. Huge difference. I also have no doubt you'd say unambigously anti-war Obama and Edwards would lose Ohio.

Yes, they would both lose Ohio. For obvious reasons, of course.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2007, 10:10:45 PM »

People will see a guy on the ballot who promises to continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, and they'll vote for the main candidate running against him.

I disagree. Hillary is not anti-war...neither is Giuliani. If the War on Terror in Iraq is the main issue next year, and we have two candidates that want to change or end the war but are not staunch anti-war...then the voters move to likeability, which Rudy has much more of than Hillary.

Hillary wants to set a date for ending the war. Giuliani wants to continue it indefinitely. Huge difference. I also have no doubt you'd say unambigously anti-war Obama and Edwards would lose Ohio.

Yes, they would both lose Ohio. For obvious reasons, of course.

Such as? And the "too liberal" argument won't work in a state that elected Sherrod Brown.
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