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Question: What is more fascist?
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Minor regulations on Private Property (ie. Dress code, allowing contraceptives, etc)
 
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Degenerating people's political opinions by calling them "Fascist" and then not debating them.
 
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« on: July 13, 2007, 02:01:07 PM »

Option 2. (normal, sane and Obvious)

And yes I did make this thread with a certain person's signature in mind.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2007, 02:44:56 PM »



Option 2. (normal, sane and Obvious)

what makes you the authority on this?

option 2 is simply beligerent, I don't see how it's fascist.  Fascism is close to examples in option 1, but deals more with economic regulations such as telling people how they can't make products, ect.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2007, 02:46:45 PM »

Option 2 is just hard headed. Such an stance can not really be "fascist".
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2007, 02:56:22 PM »

Both deserve a punch in the face.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2007, 02:59:02 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2007, 03:01:03 PM »

#1 is an actual governmental policy, so it's "more fascist"
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2007, 03:01:14 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?

I still am. But if it's on my private property, do not tell me what to wear and what to do.

I accept the dress code for the military but if you want to wear whatever you want off duty, that's fine by me.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2007, 03:09:46 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?

I still am. But if it's on my private property, do not tell me what to wear and what to do.

I accept the dress code for the military but if you want to wear whatever you want off duty, that's fine by me.

What about in public schools? For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms. Do you oppose that?
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2007, 03:15:08 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?

I still am. But if it's on my private property, do not tell me what to wear and what to do.

I accept the dress code for the military but if you want to wear whatever you want off duty, that's fine by me.

What about in public schools? For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms. Do you oppose that?
I`ve never understood the point behind school uniforms for students - a uniform for teachers I could understand, though... the military isn't trying to enforce an army uniform on the people it's supposed to serve either.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2007, 03:30:29 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?

I still am. But if it's on my private property, do not tell me what to wear and what to do.

I accept the dress code for the military but if you want to wear whatever you want off duty, that's fine by me.

What about in public schools? For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms. Do you oppose that?

Not outright uniforms (like the Army) but in a public school, they should be wearing clothes of good taste.  With issues of gangs, especially in high school, at least a minimal standard needs to be set there.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2007, 07:47:58 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?

I still am. But if it's on my private property, do not tell me what to wear and what to do.

I accept the dress code for the military but if you want to wear whatever you want off duty, that's fine by me.

What about in public schools? For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms. Do you oppose that?

Yes. Let kids wear what they want to school.

To answer the question, option 1, as option 2 is simply hard-headed, hardly fascist in any way.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2007, 08:43:54 PM »

For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms.

Hasn't that school system been sued yet?
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2007, 08:44:15 PM »

#1 is an actual governmental policy, so it's "more fascist"
Agreed.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2007, 10:59:10 PM »

For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms.

Hasn't that school system been sued yet?

on what grounds? *snicker*
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2007, 11:02:46 PM »


Read about Tinker v. Des Moines sometime.
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2007, 11:16:05 PM »


yes, and the court ruled in favor of bracelets.  What's the problem?
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2007, 11:37:04 PM »

FWIW, it's "denigrating", not "degenerating".
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 06:04:40 PM »
« Edited: July 16, 2007, 06:07:48 PM by Gully Foyle »

When I made this poll I was thinking of property owners who put their own restrictions on their own private property. Sorry I didn't make this clear enough.

Degenerating someone's opinions without debate but only with rhetoric (often what stupid people use in political discussion instead of brains) is a classic fascist tactic. As we can see with Bush's "OMG SADDAM HITLER" routine.

FWIW, it's "denigrating", not "degenerating".

Not according to Wicktionary. Typing in "denigrating" gets you "Domme Gans" which is Dutch for silly person, usually referring to female. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2007, 06:15:09 PM »

Degenerating someone's opinions without debate but only with rhetoric (often what stupid people use in political discussion instead of brains) is a classic fascist tactic. As we can see with Bush's "OMG SADDAM HITLER" routine.

And communists have tactics of how to infiltrate society too.  Just because it's a tactic doesn't make it takes on the characteristic of being fascism.
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2007, 06:19:26 PM »

Degenerating someone's opinions without debate but only with rhetoric (often what stupid people use in political discussion instead of brains) is a classic fascist tactic. As we can see with Bush's "OMG SADDAM HITLER" routine.

And communists have tactics of how to infiltrate society too.  Just because it's a tactic doesn't make it takes on the characteristic of being fascism.

No you're right o\c, but doing such a tactic is perfect example of fascist or totalitarian personality. One who believes his opinions are so obviously right that they should be enforced on everybody - regardless of his (usually) status in society and the interests of you know, Other people who might disagree.

Most Communist movement in the C20th showed this aswell btw.
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2007, 03:23:22 PM »

#1 is an actual governmental policy, so it's "more fascist"

I agree with you.
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2007, 10:08:47 PM »

I`ve never understood the point behind school uniforms for students - a uniform for teachers I could understand, though...

What'd be the point?  Public school teachers are all paid less than folks of comparable skill levels, so unless they're married to a licenced professional, they're all poor.  The teacher's uniform already exists:  J.C. Penneys sweaters and slacks, Wal-Mart underwear and socks, belts from the Dollar Tree.  Public school students, on the other hand, come from a variety of backgrounds, and they're the one's for whom the schools exist.  And they're the ones in that age-demographic most likely to distract one another with taunts, especially if one's father's income is demonstrably less than another's, as evidenced by the clothes worn.  Needless to say, they all know they're better off financially than their instructors, so there's no point in trying to equalize the faculty by virtue of a dress code.  That said, I'm no fan of school uniforms either, although I wouldn't call it fascist.  fascism by definition involves a political movement, so I guess the first option fits slightly better, though neither fit exactly.  And most real fascists are both Italian and dead anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2007, 10:25:18 PM »


Having a dress code is offensive to you? Weren't you in the military?

I still am. But if it's on my private property, do not tell me what to wear and what to do.

I accept the dress code for the military but if you want to wear whatever you want off duty, that's fine by me.

What about in public schools? For example, my daughter attends public elementary school and they are required to wear uniforms. Do you oppose that?

I wholeheartedly oppose that. When I was in grade school, I remember circulating of petition to get rid of the dress code policy, citing Tinker v. Des Moines. The petition got nearly 200 signatures before the school confiscated it. Believe it or not, that was a major event that molded my libertarian ideology.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2007, 03:52:13 PM »

Option 1
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2007, 04:00:46 PM »

When I made this poll I was thinking of property owners who put their own restrictions on their own private property. Sorry I didn't make this clear enough.

Degenerating someone's opinions without debate but only with rhetoric (often what stupid people use in political discussion instead of brains) is a classic fascist tactic. As we can see with Bush's "OMG SADDAM HITLER" routine.


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