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« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2007, 11:33:35 PM »

I admit the things I said were written in a harsh way, but come on, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. My critique was of a culture I found devoid of compassion, values, and seriousness(something shocking to me because of my good experiences with Brazilian family and my girlfriend.) If you want me to apologise for it, sure whatever, but I wasn't mocking any of the races of Brazil or their devotion to Catholicism. If anything I was citicizing their(certain segments of the population, specifically the kids of executives that I met and those that moved in their circles) extreme embrace of American capitalist values, and therefore criticizing American style hedonism. I had moved to a place full of millions of Paris Hiltons

I've said all I'm going to say about that post from October of 2005. If any of you can find a hint of prejudice towards blacks in any of my posts I will adress that, as that was the original claim of Eraserhead, that I had made anti-black statements.

I know I said I wasn't going to say anything else about it, but I can't let that go. That comment was regarding a small subsect of Brazilian society, which I made abundantly clear later in the paragraph.

BTW, I talked with Poughies privately and I think we were harsh with him, and he really didn't mean to offend.
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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2007, 11:47:25 PM »

I admit the things I said were written in a harsh way, but come on, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. My critique was of a culture I found devoid of compassion, values, and seriousness(something shocking to me because of my good experiences with Brazilian family and my girlfriend.) If you want me to apologise for it, sure whatever, but I wasn't mocking any of the races of Brazil or their devotion to Catholicism. If anything I was citicizing their(certain segments of the population, specifically the kids of executives that I met and those that moved in their circles) extreme embrace of American capitalist values, and therefore criticizing American style hedonism. I had moved to a place full of millions of Paris Hiltons

I've said all I'm going to say about that post from October of 2005. If any of you can find a hint of prejudice towards blacks in any of my posts I will adress that, as that was the original claim of Eraserhead, that I had made anti-black statements.

I know I said I wasn't going to say anything else about it, but I can't let that go. That comment was regarding a small subsect of Brazilian society, which I made abundantly clear later in the paragraph.

BTW, I talked with Poughies privately and I think we were harsh with him, and he really didn't mean to offend.

I should say I private messaged all that I thought were offended and conveyed in a personal matter what the intent of my original post was.

Many of those sentiments by me have been echoed in this thread.

I should also say that all those who have responded to my messages were kind and forgiving. So I thank them for that and hope we can all just get back to the state (pun intended on religion and state).

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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2007, 11:48:55 PM »

I am getting so sick of the rabidly pro-Romney assholes on here who call anyone who attacks Romney a bigot.

Romney himself was attacked for being a Mormon by a Christian evangelical at a campaign speech, and responded by saying that while America was a nation of different faiths, it was important to have someone of faith be President-- which drew cheers and applause from his audience.

Romney himself is a bigot and is exploiting religious intolerance to shift away anti-Mormon sentiment to an even more disliked portion of society.  Anyone who has the audacity to call someone bigoted for opposing Romney's clear support of theocracy but won't acknowledge that Romney himself is a bigot is a complete joke.
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« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2007, 12:08:37 AM »

It's not attacking Romney that is bigoted, it is attacking his faith that is bigoted.

There is a BIG difference.

Attack Romney all you want, I don't care. 

Leave his religion out of it.
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« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2007, 12:14:26 AM »

It's not attacking Romney that is bigoted, it is attacking his faith that is bigoted.

There is a BIG difference.

Attack Romney all you want, I don't care.

Leave his religion out of it.

While I agree with this 100%, you can attack the man while mentioning his religion if u feel that he will let his religious beliefs guide the nation. Its not the religion that should be attacked, its the fact that the man is going to allow the nation to be ruled by the religion. Its the same thing that George W. Bush has done with his form of evangelical christianity. If Romney does that with his mormon faith then he should be called out. If he won't, then I don't care what religion the man is. Either way, the church shouldn't be attacked. I don't care if he is jewish, mormon, or sikh.
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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2007, 12:57:20 AM »

I admit the things I said were written in a harsh way, but come on, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. My critique was of a culture I found devoid of compassion, values, and seriousness(something shocking to me because of my good experiences with Brazilian family and my girlfriend.) If you want me to apologise for it, sure whatever, but I wasn't mocking any of the races of Brazil or their devotion to Catholicism. If anything I was citicizing their(certain segments of the population, specifically the kids of executives that I met and those that moved in their circles) extreme embrace of American capitalist values, and therefore criticizing American style hedonism. I had moved to a place full of millions of Paris Hiltons

I've said all I'm going to say about that post from October of 2005. If any of you can find a hint of prejudice towards blacks in any of my posts I will adress that, as that was the original claim of Eraserhead, that I had made anti-black statements.

I know I said I wasn't going to say anything else about it, but I can't let that go. That comment was regarding a small subsect of Brazilian society, which I made abundantly clear later in the paragraph.

BTW, I talked with Poughies privately and I think we were harsh with him, and he really didn't mean to offend.
I wasnt offended by what Poughies said. But the generalizations you made were pretty harsh on the brazilians.
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« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2007, 01:33:23 AM »

I find it ironic that conservatives say that they want to preserve american culture and yet what they really want to do is change it. I also find it hypocritical, when obviously, porn and all of these other horrible things will be wiped out by the free market. Duh.
this of course is the fundamental paradox of the GOP coalition

you have your small government, low regulation, free market Libertarian types mixed in with your 'government should be involved in your bedrooms and censoring what you see' religious types.

it is just a strange byproduct of our elctoral system that they ended up in the same party when they really have little in common
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« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2007, 05:02:49 AM »

Attack Romney all you want, I don't care.

Leave his religion out of it.

If he wants to suppress free speech based on what his religious says is objectionable, then it's completely fair game.

I don't care if, say, Harry Reid is a Mormon.  Great for him.
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« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2007, 10:21:49 AM »
« Edited: July 17, 2007, 10:25:57 AM by Tammany Hall Republican »

Attack Romney all you want, I don't care.

Leave his religion out of it.

If he wants to suppress free speech based on what his religious says is objectionable, then it's completely fair game.

I don't care if, say, Harry Reid is a Mormon.  Great for him.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. 

Romney speaks for what he believes.  He does not speak for his church, his church does not speak for him.

It is never "fair game" to attack anyone's church.  Rather, it is repugnant, no matter how you try to disguise it.

As President, Romney will have no control over his church, and his church will have no control over him.

Romney is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.   

Wants to supress free speech?  Nonsense.
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« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2007, 10:45:40 AM »

I am getting so sick of the rabidly pro-Romney assholes on here who call anyone who attacks Romney a bigot.

Romney himself was attacked for being a Mormon by a Christian evangelical at a campaign speech, and responded by saying that while America was a nation of different faiths, it was important to have someone of faith be President-- which drew cheers and applause from his audience.

Romney himself is a bigot and is exploiting religious intolerance to shift away anti-Mormon sentiment to an even more disliked portion of society.  Anyone who has the audacity to call someone bigoted for opposing Romney's clear support of theocracy but won't acknowledge that Romney himself is a bigot is a complete joke.

It's amazing how I tend to agree with you on almost all matters of religion.
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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2007, 10:48:14 AM »

It is never "fair game" to attack anyone's church.  Rather, it is repugnant, no matter how you try to disguise it.

So why are churches above criticism?
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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2007, 10:51:01 AM »

It is never "fair game" to attack anyone's church.  Rather, it is repugnant, no matter how you try to disguise it.

So why are churches above criticism?

They're above criticism because of the First Amendment. Because the First Amendment gives the right to freedom of religion, that means that it is illegal to criticize one's religion. [/sarcasm]
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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2007, 01:41:14 PM »

It's not attacking Romney that is bigoted, it is attacking his faith that is bigoted.

There is a BIG difference.

Attack Romney all you want, I don't care.

Leave his religion out of it.

We have political positions because we have faith in them.

People may invest more importance in their religion, but it is no more a form of faith than many political positions.  I don't see why it is beyond reproach.
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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2007, 01:51:59 PM »

Personally I hate all religions equally.
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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2007, 02:26:02 PM »

As much as I'd like to think that my vote wouldn't be affected by a candidate's religion, there's no chance in hell I'd vote for someone whose religious beliefs included a vehement denial of evolution, an unflinching opposition to the use of stem cells in any capacity, and the desire to use tax dollars for the construction of a really, really tall ladder to reach heaven.
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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2007, 02:38:39 PM »


I have no problems with the ad nor the message, except for when he starts talking about movies and video games.  Those are items within the family's control, and the responsibility for that access belongs on the parents.  Drugs on the streets and so on cannot be controlled by the individual family unless the plan to keep their kids locked up indoors all day, which in my opinion, does more harm than good.
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« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2007, 05:32:04 PM »

Personally I hate all religions equally.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2007, 09:24:38 PM »

Romney is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.   

Wants to supress free speech?  Nonsense.

From what objective and secular logic does he determine that pornography and allegedly violent or offensive TV shows should be censored?

That's right... he's proposing that we legislate his religious beliefs into government policy which affects everyone.  The ad clearly states that he wants to improve the culture of America based on his religious views.

If you want to see real attacks on his religion though, how about the fact that Mormonism is a cult that was started by a drunken adulterer and lunatic who tricked people into thinking he could read Egyptian heiroglyphics from a bunch of tablets with special glasses that only he had access to?  Or the fact that the church he started makes decisions overturning their past polygamy, racism, and sexism only when suddenly politically expedient?

You see, his church is a complete fraud and sham, but again, what matters here is that he wants to legislate religious beliefs into public policy.
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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2007, 09:32:29 PM »

Anybody else get the impression that Romney just took the demo video from some random home movie software and started talking over it?
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« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2007, 09:36:22 PM »

Romney is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.   

Wants to supress free speech?  Nonsense.

From what objective and secular logic does he determine that pornography and allegedly violent or offensive TV shows should be censored?

That's right... he's proposing that we legislate his religious beliefs into government policy which affects everyone.  The ad clearly states that he wants to improve the culture of America based on his religious views.

If you want to see real attacks on his religion though, how about the fact that Mormonism is a cult that was started by a drunken adulterer and lunatic who tricked people into thinking he could read Egyptian heiroglyphics from a bunch of tablets with special glasses that only he had access to?  Or the fact that the church he started makes decisions overturning their past polygamy, racism, and sexism only when suddenly politically expedient?

You see, his church is a complete fraud and sham, but again, what matters here is that he wants to legislate religious beliefs into public policy.

Again no one at all should be attacking Romney for his religion,If Romney was Catholic, Jewish,or Protestant no one would be attacking him. This is just as bigoted you should not be attacking Romney for his religion,It would be like me going around calling Barack Obama a c**n Senator or something.    
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« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2007, 09:48:57 PM »

No but that doesn't mean he is immune from the same attacks of attempting in this ad to suggest in my opinion to threaten as Bush the separation between church and state....

Now, don't tell me any things from Massachusetts governor... he's a different politician.....
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« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2007, 10:19:19 PM »

No but that doesn't mean he is immune from the same attacks of attempting in this ad to suggest in my opinion to threaten as Bush the separation between church and state....

Now, don't tell me any things from Massachusetts governor... he's a different politician.....

However like I said both Republicans and Democrats seem to be gunning for the value vote this time around although this as everyone knows totally overshadowed by the war in Iraq.
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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2007, 10:26:35 PM »

Romney is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.   

Wants to supress free speech?  Nonsense.

From what objective and secular logic does he determine that pornography and allegedly violent or offensive TV shows should be censored?

That's right... he's proposing that we legislate his religious beliefs into government policy which affects everyone.  The ad clearly states that he wants to improve the culture of America based on his religious views.

If you want to see real attacks on his religion though, how about the fact that Mormonism is a cult that was started by a drunken adulterer and lunatic who tricked people into thinking he could read Egyptian heiroglyphics from a bunch of tablets with special glasses that only he had access to?  Or the fact that the church he started makes decisions overturning their past polygamy, racism, and sexism only when suddenly politically expedient?

You see, his church is a complete fraud and sham, but again, what matters here is that he wants to legislate religious beliefs into public policy.

Again no one at all should be attacking Romney for his religion,If Romney was Catholic, Jewish,or Protestant no one would be attacking him. This is just as bigoted you should not be attacking Romney for his religion,It would be like me going around calling Barack Obama a c**n Senator or something.    

Uh not really. Religion is a choice, race isn't...not that I really care if you call Obama or anyone else names because of their race. It would only serve to make you look foolish but that's your choice. I support the first amendment.
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« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2007, 10:28:49 PM »

Romney is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.   

Wants to supress free speech?  Nonsense.

From what objective and secular logic does he determine that pornography and allegedly violent or offensive TV shows should be censored?

That's right... he's proposing that we legislate his religious beliefs into government policy which affects everyone.  The ad clearly states that he wants to improve the culture of America based on his religious views.

If you want to see real attacks on his religion though, how about the fact that Mormonism is a cult that was started by a drunken adulterer and lunatic who tricked people into thinking he could read Egyptian heiroglyphics from a bunch of tablets with special glasses that only he had access to?  Or the fact that the church he started makes decisions overturning their past polygamy, racism, and sexism only when suddenly politically expedient?

You see, his church is a complete fraud and sham, but again, what matters here is that he wants to legislate religious beliefs into public policy.

Again no one at all should be attacking Romney for his religion,If Romney was Catholic, Jewish,or Protestant no one would be attacking him. This is just as bigoted you should not be attacking Romney for his religion,It would be like me going around calling Barack Obama a c**n Senator or something.    

Uh not really. Religion is a choice, race isn't...not that I really care if you call Obama or anyone else names because of their race. It would only serve to make you look foolish but that's your choice. I support the first amendment.

The same for religion.   
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« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2007, 11:30:08 PM »

Romney is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.   

Wants to supress free speech?  Nonsense.

From what objective and secular logic does he determine that pornography and allegedly violent or offensive TV shows should be censored?

That's right... he's proposing that we legislate his religious beliefs into government policy which affects everyone.  The ad clearly states that he wants to improve the culture of America based on his religious views.

If you want to see real attacks on his religion though, how about the fact that Mormonism is a cult that was started by a drunken adulterer and lunatic who tricked people into thinking he could read Egyptian heiroglyphics from a bunch of tablets with special glasses that only he had access to?  Or the fact that the church he started makes decisions overturning their past polygamy, racism, and sexism only when suddenly politically expedient?

You see, his church is a complete fraud and sham, but again, what matters here is that he wants to legislate religious beliefs into public policy.

You have truly demonstrated your complete ignorance of and your unbridled prejudice toward The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, a church you so obviously know nothing about.

It is ignorance and attitudes like yours that perpetuate narrow minded bigotry in the 21st century.

You must be a direct descendant of some of the fanatics who presided at the Salem witch trials. 
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