Romney's New Ad

[poughies]

Hi my name is Mitt Romney.

I think that only material the church of latter days saints approve of should be seen on tv.

I will be sure to legislate my religion on the people of the United Church oh I mean States of America.

I really am conservative..... what I really am! Would a fake conservative has as nice hair as I do?

I'm Mitt Romney and the church approves this message.

[poughies]

Oh sorry! My mistake, I thought being a bigot actually required someone to be a bigot. WOuld u prefer for me to be to say generic church. The point was that Romney is clearly trying to appeal to religious conservatives by appealing to the church. The same way Pat Robertson tries to force his views from the evangelical church. I would make the same joke when Lieberman appeared in those stupid Jerry Falwell ads. I would say he was trying to force his religious views on everyone (I'm jewish). I support Harry Reid. I love the fact that if u dare mention the fact that Romney has tried to make religion apart of this campaign then somehow you are a bigot by trying to say that he is clearly saying that he will listen to his religious views when leading. And these were not the arguments that Romney tried to make when running for the governorship. He has decided to run on as a religious conservative. As such, any person who runs saying that their faith in religion will lead them is open to the attack that the church or temple or mosque (or one of the eastern religions) they belong to will lead them.

[poughies]

Let me ad the post itself was not to be offensive in anyway. If that wasn't clear from above the original post was merely saying that he is clearly trying to inflict his religious beliefs upon the nation. Now that doesn't mean that he is trying to make everyone a Mormon. It merely means that the views held by him are the views he is trying to legislate. The same way George Bush tried to legislate his evangelical views upon the nation. The same way many in the middle east try to inflict their islamic views upon the nation.

I find it so funny that those who call islam a religion of hate try to say that anyone who critiques Romney as a bigot (if they bring up he is the Christian conservative).

I edited the post to make it more clear what i was saying.

[poughies]

In a personal message someone brought up a good point about faith and candidates and Obama. First let me say I don't like Obama. But as to the overall tones of religion. I will almost always vote for the candidate who tries to inflict his religious views least. Sure there are certain races (Harold Ford for example) where both candidates are religious, and I vote for the one I most agree with. I should also there is a big difference about how a candidate inflicts his religious views. To curtail poverty is one thing, while curtailing pornography with a religious overtone are two different things.

That said, I don't like the going into churches.... any candidate (and that includes a lot of Democrats of past).

[poughies]

Well, I think that the people have right to attack Romney because of his religion. If you're crazy enough to believe something that has been proven to be a charade, what makes you think your political beliefs aren't also whacky?

Then again, I am an atheist.

I truly don't know a lot about Mormonism except for what South Park (no pun intended) said. So I cannot comment on whether its a "charade" or not. Personally, I don't care as it should have no part of the debate. If it is brought in by the candidate (religious conservative), then I believe it can be commented on. His faith, no the religion itself.

[poughies]

does anyone here want to live in a wold that is entirely child safe? I am an adult and I enjoy adult things. I do not wanted a rated G world.

I don't... I like my Rescue Me. At the same time, I want my kids (when I have them) to live in a friendly environment. Its called buying a fricken box that blocks out the bad stuff (whats it called again). Its called being involved in your kids lives. Its called making sure they know the difference between fake and real violence. The consequences of unprotected sex (the consequences of protected sex). Getting south park off the air won't do anything.

[poughies]

I admit the things I said were written in a harsh way, but come on, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. My critique was of a culture I found devoid of compassion, values, and seriousness(something shocking to me because of my good experiences with Brazilian family and my girlfriend.) If you want me to apologise for it, sure whatever, but I wasn't mocking any of the races of Brazil or their devotion to Catholicism. If anything I was citicizing their(certain segments of the population, specifically the kids of executives that I met and those that moved in their circles) extreme embrace of American capitalist values, and therefore criticizing American style hedonism. I had moved to a place full of millions of Paris Hiltons

I've said all I'm going to say about that post from October of 2005. If any of you can find a hint of prejudice towards blacks in any of my posts I will adress that, as that was the original claim of Eraserhead, that I had made anti-black statements.

I know I said I wasn't going to say anything else about it, but I can't let that go. That comment was regarding a small subsect of Brazilian society, which I made abundantly clear later in the paragraph.

BTW, I talked with Poughies privately and I think we were harsh with him, and he really didn't mean to offend.

I should say I private messaged all that I thought were offended and conveyed in a personal matter what the intent of my original post was.

Many of those sentiments by me have been echoed in this thread.

I should also say that all those who have responded to my messages were kind and forgiving. So I thank them for that and hope we can all just get back to the state (pun intended on religion and state).

[poughies]

It's not attacking Romney that is bigoted, it is attacking his faith that is bigoted.

There is a BIG difference.

Attack Romney all you want, I don't care.

Leave his religion out of it.

While I agree with this 100%, you can attack the man while mentioning his religion if u feel that he will let his religious beliefs guide the nation. Its not the religion that should be attacked, its the fact that the man is going to allow the nation to be ruled by the religion. Its the same thing that George W. Bush has done with his form of evangelical christianity. If Romney does that with his mormon faith then he should be called out. If he won't, then I don't care what religion the man is. Either way, the church shouldn't be attacked. I don't care if he is jewish, mormon, or sikh.

[poughies]

No but that doesn't mean he is immune from the same attacks of attempting in this ad to suggest in my opinion to threaten as Bush the separation between church and state....

Now, don't tell me any things from Massachusetts governor... he's a different politician.....

[poughies]

No but that doesn't mean he is immune from the same attacks of attempting in this ad to suggest in my opinion to threaten as Bush the separation between church and state....

Now, don't tell me any things from Massachusetts governor... he's a different politician.....

However like I said both Republicans and Democrats seem to be gunning for the value vote this time around although this as everyone knows totally overshadowed by the war in Iraq.

True though this a difference between speaking of value as poverty and equality... vs value of God this and God that... Look I god bless america, but jeez this stuff is getting insane.

But u are right on some level.

[poughies]

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2007/07/in_a_nutshell.html

There's the point i was trying to make..... of course, it could be secular but it rarely if ever is the argument made in the way. And no u don't have to mention God in order to get the point across.....

[poughies]

Mitt Romney evokes the feelings i get when i go to the waffle house and beach. Flip-Flopping.