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« on: July 22, 2007, 01:39:20 PM »

If Mitt Romney was a Democrat and been a Democrat his whole career, and he had been the Democratic Governor of Massachusetts for the one term, and if he had the campaign he had when he ran for Governor, would he be a viable candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 01:43:52 PM »

A Democrat from Massachusetts? Viable candidate? Nope.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 02:03:21 PM »

We learned what happens when we run a Massachusetts Democrat for president in 2004: complete f**king disaster.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 02:06:24 PM »

He'd have more of a chance than the real Mitt Romney, because he wouldn't have to flipflop so much to make it through the primary.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 04:34:22 PM »

He wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning. Especially if he was a one term Democratic Governor of Massachussetts. Maybe Democratic Governor of Utah or something, than slightly a greater chance. If Romney were a Democrat, the only primary he'd likely win would be Utah.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 07:54:54 PM »

He wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning. Especially if he was a one term Democratic Governor of Massachussetts. Maybe Democratic Governor of Utah or something, than slightly a greater chance. If Romney were a Democrat, the only primary he'd likely win would be Utah.

The Utah Democrats are mostly non-Mormons: those who've left the faith or are descended from non-Mormons.

He'd be a better candidate than John Kerry was simply because he's a better speaker, better looking, and a Governor rather than a Senator, but he'd still suffer from the burden of public stupidity as a Democrat from Massachusetts. He'd probably come in third in the Democratic primary, beating Edwards and Richardson but losing to Obama and Clinton. In the general election, he would beat his Republican self and maybe Fred Thompson but lose to John McCain and Rudy Giuliani.


Finally: "If Mitt Romney Were a Democrat".
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 11:08:20 PM »

I don't see why people think those from the north-east are incapable of winning. If Kerry had been able to switch the minds of 59,000 people in Ohio, he'd be President right now. It was the fact that John Kerry was a horrible candidate and ran a very ineffective and disjointed campaign that caused him to lose, not the "North-Eastern Liberal" label. Anyone who would choose not to vote for someone just because they're from that hellish region known as "New England" isn't going to vote for a Democratic candidate anyway. However, there are plenty of rational people who wouldn't want to vote for John Kerry for myriad justifiable reasons.

So if Mitt Romney (D-Ma) were the presidential candidate in 2004, and instead of having thrown his, or someone elses, vietnam medals onto the whitehouse lawn before he was in government, I think he might've gotten some people to vote Democratic. If instead of having voted for the war, before he voted against it, he had gotten universal healthcare for his citizens, he might've changed some more minds.

In the end, I think Mitt Romney (D-Ma) could've easily won all the states Kerry won in '04, and without the other flaws Kerry had, and with a much more impressive record of accomplishments, he could've easily gotten the 1.1% swing in Ohio he needed to win that, as well as the less than .5% swing he'd need to win in Iowa and New Mexico, giving him a decisive win.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 12:34:51 AM »

We learned what happens when we run a Massachusetts Democrat for president in 2004: complete f**king disaster.

I know, I thought you would have learnt your lesson in 1988.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 12:58:20 PM »

We learned what happens when we run a Massachusetts Democrat for president in 2004: complete f**king disaster.

I know, I thought you would have learnt your lesson in 1988.
I wouldn't have known. I wasn't even alive back then.

(PS: How the hell did Dukakis win by 10 points in Iowa?)
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 01:15:34 PM »

(PS: How the hell did Dukakis win by 10 points in Iowa?)

Farm crisis.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2007, 02:49:01 PM »

If Mitt Romney was a Democrat and been a Democrat his whole career, and he had been the Democratic Governor of Massachusetts for the one term, and if he had the campaign he had when he ran for Governor, would he be a viable candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

Please discuss.

It's an interesting question. Are we to assume that Romney's 1994 campaign was a failed challenge to Kennedy for the Democratic nomination?
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 10:49:49 PM »

If Mitt Romney was a Democrat and been a Democrat his whole career, and he had been the Democratic Governor of Massachusetts for the one term, and if he had the campaign he had when he ran for Governor, would he be a viable candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

Please discuss.

It's an interesting question. Are we to assume that Romney's 1994 campaign was a failed challenge to Kennedy for the Democratic nomination?

Thank you for your comment.  Good question.

Mitt Romney has many outstanding leadership qualities that would enable him to become a great President.  Democrats attacks on Romney, even expressed on this forum, are bitter, to the point of hysteria.

I must emphasize, that ONLY a candidate that others take seriously, and in fact fear for the potential he has of actually winning, would be attacked in such a manner. 

The point of this thread is to determine if Romney were a Democrat, had governed Massachusetts on a pretty standard Democratic platform, and was running for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2008 on a pretty standard Democratic platform, this  combined with his obviously outstanding leadership qualities and his charisma, would he in fact be a major competitor for the Democratic Presidential nomination?

As to your question, we can suppose that Romney did not contest the Senate nomination against Ted Kennedy, as Kennedy was, and still is, an entrenched Senator, and it is unlikely that any other Democrat would contest the nomination.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2007, 09:00:02 PM »


He did quite well in many of the Midwest states, in comparison to Gore or Kerry.  Dukakis made a race out of South Dakota, for example.

Then again, Mondale won counties in Oklahoma that Kerry couldn't.  The political focus has changed.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2007, 10:08:50 PM »

If Mitt Romney was a Democrat and been a Democrat his whole career, and he had been the Democratic Governor of Massachusetts for the one term, and if he had the campaign he had when he ran for Governor, would he be a viable candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

Please discuss.

It's an interesting question. Are we to assume that Romney's 1994 campaign was a failed challenge to Kennedy for the Democratic nomination?

Thank you for your comment.  Good question.

Mitt Romney has many outstanding leadership qualities that would enable him to become a great President.  Democrats attacks on Romney, even expressed on this forum, are bitter, to the point of hysteria.

I must emphasize, that ONLY a candidate that others take seriously, and in fact fear for the potential he has of actually winning, would be attacked in such a manner. 

The point of this thread is to determine if Romney were a Democrat, had governed Massachusetts on a pretty standard Democratic platform, and was running for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2008 on a pretty standard Democratic platform, this  combined with his obviously outstanding leadership qualities and his charisma, would he in fact be a major competitor for the Democratic Presidential nomination?

As to your question, we can suppose that Romney did not contest the Senate nomination against Ted Kennedy, as Kennedy was, and still is, an entrenched Senator, and it is unlikely that any other Democrat would contest the nomination.

I will admit, Romney is a great businessman.  The only thing that makes me angry is that Kerry got harassed for changing his positions on the issues, but when Romney does it nobody seems to care.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2007, 11:25:28 PM »

If Mitt Romney was a Democrat and been a Democrat his whole career, and he had been the Democratic Governor of Massachusetts for the one term, and if he had the campaign he had when he ran for Governor, would he be a viable candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

Please discuss.

It's an interesting question. Are we to assume that Romney's 1994 campaign was a failed challenge to Kennedy for the Democratic nomination?

Thank you for your comment.  Good question.

Mitt Romney has many outstanding leadership qualities that would enable him to become a great President.  Democrats attacks on Romney, even expressed on this forum, are bitter, to the point of hysteria.

I must emphasize, that ONLY a candidate that others take seriously, and in fact fear for the potential he has of actually winning, would be attacked in such a manner. 

The point of this thread is to determine if Romney were a Democrat, had governed Massachusetts on a pretty standard Democratic platform, and was running for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2008 on a pretty standard Democratic platform, this  combined with his obviously outstanding leadership qualities and his charisma, would he in fact be a major competitor for the Democratic Presidential nomination?

As to your question, we can suppose that Romney did not contest the Senate nomination against Ted Kennedy, as Kennedy was, and still is, an entrenched Senator, and it is unlikely that any other Democrat would contest the nomination.

I will admit, Romney is a great businessman.  The only thing that makes me angry is that Kerry got harassed for changing his positions on the issues, but when Romney does it nobody seems to care.

Thank you Oaksmarts.  Most people would certainly not question Romney's business expertise and acumen.  The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

As to the matter of Romney's changing his positions on the issues, there are several people on this forum who have brought this up on many occasions.

If Romney wins the nomination, however, I am sure this would become a topic of much heated discussion amongst his opponents and with the media.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2007, 12:59:16 AM »

Being a one-term Democrat from Massachusetts seems like a better springboard than being a one-term Republican from Massachusetts.

Romney's charismatic and has incredible contacts for making money through his work at Bain Capital.  He'd have been a contender no matter what party he wanted the nomination of.  (Just probably not a successful one.)
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2007, 01:06:39 AM »

He was being floated around as a potential candidate for governor of Utah as a Democrat back in 2002, oddly enough.

He wouldn't have a chance in hell being a Mormon from Utah, no matter what the party.
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