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« on: October 12, 2020, 12:34:11 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2020, 01:30:26 AM »

Lotta words.
I think he could have said the same with half the words and ironically I'm sure he added details to, well, provoke a strong emotional response.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2020, 01:47:30 AM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2020, 05:35:29 AM »

He's right, but he shouldn't try to dance around the issue. If you're getting a third trimester abortion, there's a 99.9% chance it is because the alternative would either risk killing you, or because the baby has zero chance of survival outside the womb.

Third trimester abortions are the abortions I have the least problem with, because I know that they only happen when absolutely necessary. I care more about reducing (not outlawing) regular, elective abortions.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2020, 05:39:22 AM »

The Dems should try and find a way to redirect the debate back to the "life begins at conception shibboleth" and how this would ban fertility clinics, Regeneron, and the morning after pill. That's a winning issue for Democrats. Late term abortion is a losing issue. That's why Trump's always going on about babies being ripped out of wombs and so on... he knows that. But most abortions occur very early on the first trimester. The earlier you're talking about, the better the issue is for the pro-choice side.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2020, 05:40:38 AM »

The Dems should try and find a way to redirect the debate back to the "life begins at conception shibboleth" and how this would ban fertility clinics, Regeneron, and the morning after pill. That's a winning issue for Democrats. Late term abortion is a losing issue. That's why Trump's always going on about babies being ripped out of wombs and so on... he knows that. But most abortions occur very early on the first trimester. The earlier you're talking about, the better the issue is for the pro-choice side.
The "late term abortion" and "partial birth abortion" controversies were both manufactured by Republicans. There is no controversy in reality.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2020, 11:14:54 AM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2020, 03:09:46 PM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.

It is. That's what "third trimester abortions" are.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2020, 04:23:52 PM »

We seriously need an abortion megathread for this board and Individual Politics.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2020, 05:42:33 PM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2020, 05:44:26 PM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.

20 weeks is not even close to the third trimester.

You cannot, at 8 months pregnant, just show up to an OB and ask for an abortion. That is a non-existent situation invented out of thin air by Republicans.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2020, 07:15:15 PM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.

YET AGAIN I will point out that that article discusses women who SEEK 3rd trimester abortions, not those who get them.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2020, 07:43:57 PM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.

20 weeks is not even close to the third trimester.

You cannot, at 8 months pregnant, just show up to an OB and ask for an abortion. That is a non-existent situation invented out of thin air by Republicans.

Of course a regular OBGYN wouldn't do it, most OBGYNs don't do abortions.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2020, 07:44:41 PM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.

YET AGAIN I will point out that that article discusses women who SEEK 3rd trimester abortions, not those who get them.

Let's make sure it's illegal for them to get those abortions.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2020, 12:31:08 AM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.

YET AGAIN I will point out that that article discusses women who SEEK 3rd trimester abortions, not those who get them.

Let's make sure it's illegal for them to get those abortions.

It already is in every state. Third trimester abortions can only be performed in extreme cases for non-elective reasons.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2020, 03:13:38 AM »

The baby should be delivered prematurely and given a chance to survive.  Killing it is an evil act that should result in a jail sentence.
If a fetus has a chance at survival then it will be delivered, not aborted. Third trimester abortions only happen if the fetus has no chance of survival and often when continuing the pregnancy means putting the mother's life at risk. Statements to the contrary are lies conjured up by republicans to poison the conversation and advance their political agenda at the expense of thousands of families already going through pain at the unexpected loss of a pregnancy.

Except that's not true.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

Nothing in here about medical necessity.

YET AGAIN I will point out that that article discusses women who SEEK 3rd trimester abortions, not those who get them.

Let's make sure it's illegal for them to get those abortions.

It already is in every state. Third trimester abortions can only be performed in extreme cases for non-elective reasons.

Then keep it illegal.
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