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« Reply #200 on: September 07, 2007, 07:02:21 PM »

I urge the Vice President to vote against this amendment as it removes a central tenet of the bill which has been in the legislation since the beginning and would seriously weaken the extent of this reform.
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« Reply #201 on: September 07, 2007, 07:12:25 PM »

Result on Brandon's Amendment #1
[Motion to strike sections 1 & 2]
Aye: 5 (Sam; Brandon; Moderate [NE]; Moderate [D2]; afleitch)
Nay: 5 (Ebowed; Rob; Lewis; Al; Earl)

The result being tied I vote against the amendment.
(Though I will say that I would support amending clause 2 of section 1 to extend the time period therein.)
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« Reply #202 on: September 07, 2007, 07:19:48 PM »
« Edited: September 07, 2007, 07:22:49 PM by Jas »

Two further separate amendments from Brandon shall now be up for vote.

Amendment (Brandon) #1:
Section 8 is stricken from the bill.

Amendment (Brandon) #2
Section 9 is stricken from the bill.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain on each of the amendments accordingly.



FTR, the following are the sections at issue.

Section 8: Status of Immigrants
1. No child attending, or preparing to attend, a K-12 public school shall be discriminated against on the basis of their citizenship status, lack of documentation, place of birth, first language, nor shall they be discriminated against on the basis of the citizenship status, documentation status, place of birth, first language, or criminal status of their parent(s).

Section 9: Homeschooling
1. The Attorney General will be required to prepare a report on the status of homeschooling standards within Atlasia, along with any recommendations he or she may feel necessary to improve the status of homeschooling, no later than December 31, 2007.
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« Reply #203 on: September 07, 2007, 07:23:07 PM »

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« Reply #204 on: September 07, 2007, 07:23:44 PM »

Nay; Nay
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« Reply #205 on: September 07, 2007, 07:23:56 PM »

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« Reply #206 on: September 07, 2007, 07:44:36 PM »

Nay, Nay
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« Reply #207 on: September 07, 2007, 11:09:55 PM »

Aye to all.
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« Reply #208 on: September 08, 2007, 10:53:04 AM »

Nay on striking section 8.

As to section 9 - what will we be doing to the attorney general if he doesn't prepare a report?
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« Reply #209 on: September 08, 2007, 03:32:58 PM »

Nay to removing Section 8.
Abstain with regard to Section 9.
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« Reply #210 on: September 08, 2007, 04:49:47 PM »

As to section 9 - what will we be doing to the attorney general if he doesn't prepare a report?

Be slightly upset
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« Reply #211 on: September 08, 2007, 05:16:21 PM »

Result on Amendment (Brandon) #1
[Motion to Strike Section 8]
Aye: 2 (Brandon; Sam)
Nay: 5 (Rob; Ebowed; Earl; Lewis; Moderate)
Vacant: 1 (Northeast)
Abstain [Didn't Vote]: 2 (afleitch; Al)

Given 1 vacancy, 5 Nay votes constitutes a majority against.
The amendment therefore fails.



Tally on Amendment (Brandon) #2
[Motion to Strike Section 9]
Aye: 2 (Brandon; Sam)
Nay: 3 (Rob; Ebowed; Earl)
Abstain: 1 (Moderate)
Vacant: 1 (Northeast)
Yet to Vote: 3 (afleitch; Al; Lewis)

Voting remains open on this amendment.
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« Reply #212 on: September 08, 2007, 06:47:14 PM »

Aye on 2
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« Reply #213 on: September 08, 2007, 07:25:37 PM »

Upon further consideration, I switch my vote on #2 (motion to strike Section 9) from Abstain to Aye.
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« Reply #214 on: September 09, 2007, 11:12:33 AM »

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« Reply #215 on: September 09, 2007, 11:27:49 AM »

Updated Tally on Amendment (Brandon) #2
[Motion to Strike Section 9]
Aye: 4 (Brandon; Sam; afleitch; Moderate)
Nay: 3 (Rob; Ebowed; Earl)
Abstain: 1 (Al)
Vacant: 1 (Northeast)
Yet to Vote: 1 (Lewis)

Voting remains open on this amendment.
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« Reply #216 on: September 09, 2007, 02:04:57 PM »

I'll defer to your judgement, Jas.
THat's to say, I'm voting nay so you can break the tie.
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« Reply #217 on: September 09, 2007, 02:32:55 PM »

The issue of homeschooling standards is an important one and certainly if any Senator believes there to be deficiencies which need to be addressed to ensure that homeschooling standards meet certain minimum levels, then they should certainly bring them forward.

That said, there are two main reasons why I will vote in favour the amendment. Firstly, I don't believe that the case has been made that this area in particular warrants such a report. Other aspects of this bill, such as child nutrition and class size, are surely also issues on which informed study could produce benefits. Yet in those cases, specific proposals have been put forward. No reasons (unless I've missed them) have been submitted for consideration as to why this report on this subject is needed now.

Secondly, I think it would be unfair to impose upon the AG a duty to compile such a report. While I have full confidence in the current AG's abilities, this isn't what he signed up for, nor could it be reasonably anticipated, and most importantly AFAIK he has no particular expertise in this area.

Like I say, if anyone feels that there is a need for law reform regarding homeschooling, then I would encourage them to bring forth proposals for consideration and I would be happy to back any meritorious ideas that would improve standards. However, for the above stated reasons and in order to break the tie, I vote Aye on the amendment to strike section 9.
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« Reply #218 on: September 09, 2007, 02:41:17 PM »

Current Text of the Bill:

Education Reform Bill of 2007

Section 1: Selective Education
1. No federal money shall go towards any K-12 private school tuition (including, but not limited to, those financed by any Regional school voucher programs).
2. This section shall become effective three months after this act becomes law.

Section 2: Public School Funds
1. Noting the poor quality of many public schools in certain areas of the Southeast Region, an additional $500 million shall go towards improving the maintenance of K-12 school buildings, textbook purchases, classroom supplies, teacher salaries, and before-and-after school extra-cirricular programs in public schools within the Southeast Region.
2. All other Regions shall receive an extra $350 million each to fund the items mentioned in Section 1.

Section 3: Low-Income Education Encouragement Pay Program
1. The federal government will institute a Low-Income Education Encouragement Pay Program.
2. Teachers whose classroom at any public K-12 school contains a large proportion (40% or more) of students from low-income households (combined annual income of less than $40,000) will be given a 35% pay increase.

Section 4: Classroom Size
1. No public school classroom, excluding physical education classes, may have a ratio of more than 25 students to every 1 teacher.

Section 5: Acceptance of Science
Subsection 1: Human Sexuality
No funds from the federal government shall go towards any sex education curriculum that promotes any of the following beliefs as based on scientific evidence:
1.) the trait of homosexuality or bisexuality is an entirely conscious choice and/or is strange or unnatural.
2.) the participation in homosexual sex acts is an unnatural act observed only in humans.
3.) the proper use of contraceptive devices including but not limited to condoms is grossly ineffective in preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted infections.
4.) engaging in sexual activity before marriage with proper precautions is dangerous.
5.) males and females should limit themselves to careers which have historically been associated with masculine and feminine roles, respectively.
6.) the surgical or medical termination of a nonviable pregnancy causes, or is in any way linked to, the development of breast cancer.
Subsection 2: Origins
No funds from the federal government shall go towards any scientific education curriculum that promotes any of the following beliefs as based on scientific evidence:
1.) the status of biological evolution as a scientific theory is somehow different or set apart from that of other scientific theories such as gravity or relativity.
2.) fossil evidence for biological macroevolution is largely inaccurate or misinterpreted by mainstream scientists, or presents a picture that contradicts with biological evolutionary theory.
3.) radioactive carbon dating is always inaccurate or scientifically unreliable.
4.) the age of the earth is less than ten thousand years.
5.) the origins of the universe and of life on earth are scientifically explained by religious texts or creeds.
6.) the complexity of certain types of life on earth are of such a magnitude that they present valid evidence for that of a higher power or "intelligent designer."
7.) creation theories are testable by the scientific method.
8.) the Second Law of Thermodynamics contradicts the Big Bang.
Subsection 3: Cannabis
No funds from the federal government shall go towards any drug prevention curriculum that promotes any of the following beliefs as based on scientific evidence:
1.) marijuana use fails to alleviate symptoms associated with terminal illness (e.g. cancer).
2.) recreational use of marijuana invariably leads to use of "hard" drugs (the so-called "gateway effect").

Section 6: School Nutrition
1. No public school may be allowed to supply 'soft' drinks to students at a lower price than milk and juice products.
2. No public school may place vending machines with snack products in the same building as where Physical Education programs take place.
3. Breakfast and lunch meals will be provided free of charge to any student from a low-income household (as defined by Section 3, Clause 2).

Section 7: College Tuition Taxes
1. Tuitions for colleges and universities will be taxed in the following ways, on the basis of the candidate's family's annual income.  The tuition's tax will rise proportional to the income, and shall be taxed at the following rates, with each rate corresponding to the tax rate on only the portion of the income that falls in the appointed range.
a.) $0-$50,000: 0%
b.) $50,001-$75,000: 0.5%
c.) $75,001-$125,000: 1%
d.) $125,001-$200,000: 2.5%
e.) $200,001-$500,000: 5%
f.) $500,001 or more: 7.5%
g.) Families where there are more than two children whose income falls into the ranges of c.) through f.) will be eligible for a decrease in the rate by 0.5%.
2. All taxes on textbooks and school materials for students are abolished.

Section 8: Status of Immigrants
1. No child attending, or preparing to attend, a K-12 public school shall be discriminated against on the basis of their citizenship status, lack of documentation, place of birth, first language, nor shall they be discriminated against on the basis of the citizenship status, documentation status, place of birth, first language, or criminal status of their parent(s).
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« Reply #219 on: September 09, 2007, 02:42:30 PM »

Voting is now open on the following 3 amendments.

Amendment (Ebowed) #1

Amendment (Ebowed) #2
Add to the beginning of Section 7: "1. All currently existing taxes on college tuitions are abolished." and renumber subsequent clauses appropriately.

Amendment (Ebowed) #3
To strike the text of Section 2 and replace as follows: "1. Noting the poor quality of many public schools, an additional $500 million per Region shall go towards improving the maintenance of K-12 school buildings, textbook purchases, classroom supplies, teacher salaries, and before-and-after school extra-cirricular programs in public schools within the Southeast Region."

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain on each of the above.
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« Reply #220 on: September 09, 2007, 03:01:10 PM »

Amendment (Ebowed) #3
To strike the text of Section 2 and replace as follows: "1. Noting the poor quality of many public schools, an additional $500 million per Region shall go towards improving the maintenance of K-12 school buildings, textbook purchases, classroom supplies, teacher salaries, and before-and-after school extra-cirricular programs in public schools within the Southeast Region."
I'm not sure why the Midwest should be given 500 million dollars if it can only spend them within the Southeast Region.
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« Reply #221 on: September 09, 2007, 06:22:20 PM »

1. Nay
2. Aye
3. Aye
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« Reply #222 on: September 09, 2007, 07:38:53 PM »

Aye to striking Section 4
Aye to abolishing all college taxes (Sect. 7)
And a very eye-popping nay to the third amendment (which I hope is speedily withdrawn and re-written).
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« Reply #223 on: September 10, 2007, 08:42:17 AM »

1. Nay
2. Aye
3. Nay
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« Reply #224 on: September 10, 2007, 01:52:43 PM »

1. Aye - if we move towards vocational training a 1:25 ratio could hiunder this.
2. Aye
3. Nay - poorly written.
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