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jfern
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« on: July 31, 2007, 06:48:31 PM »

Eh, it doesn't have a chance.
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 06:59:58 PM »

Great proposal. 

I hope it passes.

It beats having California's huge stash of electoral votes being decided by a bunch of San Francisco crack head pot smoking dope addicts every time.

You remove San Francisco, and California still votes Democrat. Of course you'd rather mindlessly bash San Franciscans.
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jfern
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 12:15:23 AM »

Defining the Bay Area as Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties, here's how it voted:

1988:
Dukakis - 58.48%
Bush - 40.19%

2004:
Kerry - 70.43%
Bush - 28.12%

In 1988 that's about 26 points more Democratic than the national average, while in 2004 that's almost 45 points more Democratic than the national average. HUGE swing.


For fun, try the 1976 election.
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jfern
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 01:39:44 AM »

We need a Constitutional amendment to change the popular vote to prevent this kind of idiocy about changing how the electors are determined every year. Of course the least populated 13 states, with their 5% or whatever of the US's population will block it.

A compact to get 270 EV of states to give their votes to the popular vote winner (or the winner of the states in the compact) would work. The California legislature passed such a law, but Arnold vetoed it because he hates CalEEEFornia.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2007, 11:56:28 PM »

Until the drawing of congressional districts is removed from the hands of partisan hacks I cannot support these types of measures.  I would very much like to support this but gerrymandering is just too great a problem and I'm not sure anything can be done to solve it anymore.

A federal law requiring that all states use the Iowa-and-Minnesota system. if we could get a President elected who thought it important, he or she could get the Senate lockstep on it and probably guilt/threaten the House into passing it.

What is the MN-Iowa system?

Independent commissions draw the boundaries rather than the state legislature.

New Jersey has that, too, and yet they took great care to have 6 Republican districts.
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