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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2007, 06:29:17 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2007, 06:39:56 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2007, 08:03:53 PM »
Quote from: Sen. Keystone Phil on August 06, 2007, 06:28:44 PM
I'm not saying that because there are inactive voters that we can't pass this amendment. I'm saying that this is not worth our time if there isn't enough participation overall.

The point of this amendment is to increase participation.  The fact that there isn't currently enough participation is exactly why this is a good idea.
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2007, 10:29:39 PM »
Aye

If this amendment passes, I would like to propose an amendment changing the time for the regions to pass the resolution from 2 months to 1 month.

Whence legislation becomes officially enacted, a national referendum shall be held on the legislation whensoever 3 regions pass resolutions calling for such a referendum within 1 months of the passage of said legislation.
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2007, 11:54:15 PM »
Quote from: Ebowed on August 06, 2007, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: Sen. Keystone Phil on August 06, 2007, 06:28:44 PM
I'm not saying that because there are inactive voters that we can't pass this amendment. I'm saying that this is not worth our time if there isn't enough participation overall.

The point of this amendment is to increase participation.  The fact that there isn't currently enough participation is exactly why this is a good idea.

I honestly don't believe that allowing citizens to vote on these issues on a federal level will increase activity. Don't the state ballot issues usually have terrible turnout?
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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2007, 12:19:30 AM »
Hmmm
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2007, 04:28:05 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2007, 08:41:33 AM »
Current Tally on Ebowed's Amendment
Aye: 2 (Ebowed; Brandon)
Nay: 3 (Phil; PBrunsel; Lewis)
Absent: 2 (Al; Earl)
Yet to Vote: 3 (DWTL; Rob; Sam)
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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2007, 02:46:12 PM »
I already voted Aye, Jas, but I now switch my vote to Abstain.
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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2007, 02:58:18 PM »
Nay

However I support the idea of having 4 out of 5 regions like amendments
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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2007, 05:48:49 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2007, 11:37:21 AM by Jas »
Revised Tally on Ebowed's Amendment
Aye: 2 (Ebowed; Brandon)
Nay: 4 (Phil; PBrunsel; Lewis; DWTL)
Abstain: 1 (Sam)
Absent: 2 (Al; Earl)
Yet to Vote: 1 (Rob)
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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2007, 05:50:37 PM »
« Edited: August 07, 2007, 07:04:23 PM by Jas »
Quote from: 24 DuPont Chevrolet on August 07, 2007, 02:58:18 PM
Nay

However I support the idea of having 4 out of 5 regions like amendments

So, you're saying with this vote that amending the proposal such that 3 regions must push for a referendum would not be an improvement on the current text, but that necessitating 4 regions would?

Surely if you favoured the regional approach you should vote Aye here and seek another amendment to increase the regional requirement to 4?
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2007, 03:40:24 PM »
I change my vote to Aye, but I also but propose an amendment contingent on this amendment passing changing the number of regions necessary to 4
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2007, 04:51:56 PM »
I change my vote to Aye.  I agree with DWTL that the Region number should be up to 4.
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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2007, 11:37:29 AM »
Re-Revised Tally on Ebowed's Amendment
Aye: 4 (Ebowed; Brandon; DWTL; Sam)
Nay: 3 (Phil; PBrunsel; Lewis)
Absent: 2 (Al; Earl)
Yet to Vote: 1 (Rob)
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« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2007, 03:10:45 PM »
bumping in case Rob missed this.
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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2007, 06:21:03 AM »

I did, thanks.

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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2007, 08:07:39 AM »
You do realize Ebowed vote "aye" right?
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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2007, 08:43:29 AM »
With a 4-4 tie here, the tie-breaking vote thus goes to the VP.
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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2007, 04:17:06 PM »
Quote from: Sam Spade on August 10, 2007, 08:43:29 AM
With a 4-4 tie here, the tie-breaking vote thus goes to the VP.

I vote in favour of the amendment.
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« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2007, 08:00:49 PM »

We don't always vote the same...
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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2007, 10:41:59 AM »
This is probably the first time that has ever happened
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2007, 10:46:29 AM »
We are now voting on the following amendment:

Quote from: 24 DuPont Chevrolet on August 08, 2007, 03:40:24 PM
...I also but propose an amendment contingent on this amendment passing changing the number of regions necessary to 4

This language pertains to this clause:

Whence legislation becomes officially enacted, a national referendum shall be held on the legislation whensoever 3 regions pass resolutions calling for such a referendum within 2 months of the passage of said legislation.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Aye.
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2007, 10:48:19 AM »
I have a question:  What are the guidelines for a Region to pass a resolution, or is that set up by the Region - and how exactly so?
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2007, 10:51:48 AM »
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