2nd Immigration Reform Bill of 2007 [Failed]

[Sam Spade]

For Jas:  This bill goes into spot 4.


2nd Immigration Reform Bill of 2007

1. The Illegal Immigrant Act (F.L. 18-8) is hereby repealed.

2. Illegal aliens who have been convicted of a state or federal offense and sentenced to a term of imprisonment less than 12 months in duration within the last 5 years of their application shall be denied citizenship in all instances, even if their application is presently pending under the auspices of F.L. 18-8.

3. Illegal aliens who have been convicted of a state or federal offense and sentenced to a term of imprisonment less than 12 months in duration not within the last 5 years of their application whose application is presently pending under the auspices of F.L. 18-8 shall be allowed to become citizens, if meeting the separate requirements of all other relevant legislation.

4. Illegal or legal aliens who have become citizens because of changes in the law effectuated by F.L. 18-8 shall not have their citizenship revoked.

(Sponsor: Sam Spade)

[Ebowed]

I motion to strike Section 2, since I don't believe that, say, conviction of the possession of marijuana before it was legalized should be grounds to deny someone citizenship.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Finally we can right the wrong of the Illegal Immigrant Bill

[Јas]

For Jas:  This bill goes into spot 4.

So noted, thanks.

[Sam Spade]

I would be willing to "write-in" an exception for those convicted of marijuana-related drug offenses.

Remember, the illegals would not be banned from citizenship forever, just for 5 years.

I understand Porce supports the Mexican invasion, and to be honest I have few problems with granting legal status to more immigrants wanting to enter this country.

However, I have an issue with granting citizenship to the criminals who try and enter this country illegally, and for good reason.  It is an important distinction.

[Keystone Phil]

I support this bill as it is. I urge Senator Sam Spade not to "write in" any drug offense exceptions.

[Colin]

I would most likely not veto this bill if it does include exemptions for newly legalized situations, such as the revision of Atlasian drug laws that has occured within the last two to three years. If it does not include such an exemption, meaning that immigrants would be barred from becoming citizens if they did something which is currently legal, I would almost certainly veto this bill.

[Sam Spade]

We are voting on the following amendment:

I motion to strike Section 2, since I don't believe that, say, conviction of the possession of marijuana before it was legalized should be grounds to deny someone citizenship.

Nay.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, we can't lift drug charges and pretend they didn't exist.  I am afraid this will allow drug dealers to gain citizenship.

[SPC]

I believe it might be easier to, rather than make an exception for drug crimes, to repeal the drug crimes altogether. Of course, that would require another bill.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I believe it might be easier to, rather than make an exception for drug crimes, to repeal the drug crimes altogether. Of course, that would require another bill.

It would have very little support as legalizing LSD is fighting an uphill battle

[minionofmidas]

Aye

[PBrunsel]

I vote nay on the motion to strike Section 2.

[Ebowed]

Aye

[Keystone Phil]

Nay

[Brandon H]

Question: If a person is convicted for committing a crime and then that act is later decriminalized, would that person still be banned for applying for being convicted of a crime?

[Ebowed]

Question: If a person is convicted for committing a crime and then that act is later decriminalized, would that person still be banned for applying for being convicted of a crime?

The language of Clause 2 indicates that a person convicted of a crime later decriminalized would still be banned for applying for citizenship.

[Rob]

Aye.

[Brandon H]

I'll vote Nay on removing Clause 2, but I think it should be written a little differently or else another clause that would exclude decriminalized acts. I'll try to work on something tonight.

[Sam Spade]

I'll vote Nay on removing Clause 2, but I think it should be written a little differently or else another clause that would exclude decriminalized acts. I'll try to work on something tonight.

Any amendment which does either of these things will receive no opposition from me.  I suspect the best way is merely to exclude decriminalized actions within the last 5 years that may receive 12 months or less sentence.

And also...

With 3 votes in favor, 5 votes against and 2 Senators absent, the amendment has failed.

[Brandon H]

An amendment to modify section 2 (add the italicized text) :

2. Illegal aliens who have been convicted of a state or federal offense and sentenced to a term of imprisonment less than 12 months in duration within the last 5 years of their application shall be denied citizenship in all instances, even if their application is presently pending under the auspices of F.L. 18-8. This shall not apply to persons imprisoned for actions which have since become decriminalized.

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on the following amendment:

An amendment to modify section 2 (add the italicized text) :

2. Illegal aliens who have been convicted of a state or federal offense and sentenced to a term of imprisonment less than 12 months in duration within the last 5 years of their application shall be denied citizenship in all instances, even if their application is presently pending under the auspices of F.L. 18-8. This shall not apply to persons imprisoned for actions which have since become decriminalized.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Aye.

[minionofmidas]

Aye.

[Keystone Phil]

Aye

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, we should be making a path to citizenship harder not easier.  It also opens up the door to things being legalized by an incredible radical senate in the future to allow illegals to gain citizenship