Is Mexico trying to undermine the American Southwest?

[Kevin]

I've been reading Pat Buchanan's State of Emergency and the in the book he makes several points trying to explain that some within the Mexican Goverment are trying to undermine America's Southwest because they view it as their territory so they are going about trying to do this by encourging  illegal immigration so they can seperate the American Southwest through cultural and economic means. So after looking around I think Pat Buchanan may be on to something. He also said that Mexico is attepting to undermine America's soverignity in the Southwest like France attempted to do to Canada over Quebec by viewing it as lost territory?

Any opinions on this claim?   

[Bacon King]

That's nothing but a crazy conspiracy theory.

[2952-0-0]

I didn't know that France was actively supporting the Parti Quebecois thirty years ago.

[CultureKing]

Pat Buchanan = Crazie Crazo

[MODU]

No.

[WalterMitty]

no.  they are improving it.

[Kevin]

I didn't know that France was actively supporting the Parti Quebecois thirty years ago.

They were at least providing moral support.

[2952-0-0]

Which, apart from Charles de Gaulle standing on the balcony and shouting "Vive le Quebec libre!" (which was just posturing), amounts to nothing. So that analogy (which is presumably mentioned in the book), falls flat.

[Kevin]

Which, apart from Charles de Gaulle standing on the balcony and shouting "Vive le Quebec libre!" (which was just posturing), amounts to nothing. So that analogy (which is presumably mentioned in the book), falls flat.

Still even that is a significant thing to do.

[Colin]

I've been reading Pat Buchanan's State of Emergency

Well there's your problem.

Really Mexico isn't providing any impetus for immigration nor is there any sort of conspiracy promulgated by the Mexicans that is trying to take over the Southwestern United States. You have to remember we are talking about Mexico here. Mexico, the country that couldn't find Subcomandante Marcos, Mexico, the country that for most of its life was mirred in debt, Mexico, the country that lost territory to Guatemala of all places. Do you seriously believe that Mexico could pull off a conspiracy of the magnitude crazy Pat is talking about? Plus what would be the objective of this "reconquista"? It would do nothing more than piss off Mexico's largest trading partner and the country that, because of free trade, has helped the Mexican economy to develop and grow by leaps and bounds over the past 20 years.

Which, apart from Charles de Gaulle standing on the balcony and shouting "Vive le Quebec libre!" (which was just posturing), amounts to nothing. So that analogy (which is presumably mentioned in the book), falls flat.

Still even that is a significant thing to do.

Is Quebec independent? Are French troops helping blue-clad Quebecois Gendarmes Nationale patrol the streets of Quebec City? No. Words, especially meaningless words that are not backed up by any action at all and are spoken by Charles De Gaulle, are insignificant.

[Ebowed]

no.  they are improving it.

^^^

[??????????]

Yes, it is a stated policy from the Mexican government to "retake" the southwest.

[Kevin]

Yes, it is a stated policy from the Mexican government to "retake" the southwest.

Do we have any proof of this? I can certainly see where Buchanan coming from since in Mexico ads are ran on TV on how to sneak into the United States.   

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

No. Mexican cooking is a vast improvement over anglosaxon north european cooking.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Yes, it is a stated policy from the Mexican government to "retake" the southwest.

do you have proof of this? can you provide us with a Mexican source which says this?

[Padfoot]

Yes, it is a stated policy from the Mexican government to "retake" the southwest.

Do we have any proof of this? I can certainly see where Buchanan coming from since in Mexico ads are ran on TV on how to sneak into the United States.   

and you've seen these ads I presume?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Words without action, even from a Head of State, are meaningless. If France ever recognized Quebec as an independent nation and established diplomatic relations with some type of "government in exile", that'd be a notable action, but they never did so. And "moral support" amounts to nothing in politics.

And even if some Mexican government document from years ago states that as official policy (which I'm still not believing without real proof), it doesn't necessarily mean anything. I believe it wasn't until the late 90s that the Republic of Ireland formally dropped their claim to Northern Ireland, but for decades earlier the vast majority of the public wanted nothing to do with Northern Ireland, and the government never took any serious action toward taking it over, which is perfectly understandable as there's no reason to believe either the residents or government of a rather peaceful and serene country would want to annex a troublesome province full of constant car bombs and gun battles that became an economic black hole as a result.

Also taking Pat Buchanan seriously is just, well, tough to describe but easy to understand.

[Jaggerjack]

This thread is nothing short of hilarity. But it's nothing suprising, though.

[DanielX]

As deliberate policy of the Mexican government? of course not.  Any attempt at doing so would have the real risk of war. A war in which Mexico will almost certainly lose in the conceivable future. It doesn't help that the US is one of Mexico's main sources of income, through trade and through relatives sending money home.

Are some (crazy) Mexicans thinking about exploiting the current border situation and large number of Mexican immigrants to reclaim the Southwest? undoubtedly.

[Kevin]

Words without action, even from a Head of State, are meaningless. If France ever recognized Quebec as an independent nation and established diplomatic relations with some type of "government in exile", that'd be a notable action, but they never did so. And "moral support" amounts to nothing in politics.

And even if some Mexican government document from years ago states that as official policy (which I'm still not believing without real proof), it doesn't necessarily mean anything. I believe it wasn't until the late 90s that the Republic of Ireland formally dropped their claim to Northern Ireland, but for decades earlier the vast majority of the public wanted nothing to do with Northern Ireland, and the government never took any serious action toward taking it over, which is perfectly understandable as there's no reason to believe either the residents or government of a rather peaceful and serene country would want to annex a troublesome province full of constant car bombs and gun battles that became an economic black hole as a result.

Also taking Pat Buchanan seriously is just, well, tough to describe but easy to understand.

They did back up words with some action as the French consulate in Quebec City began to serve as a de facto embassy to the Provincial Government of Quebec.

[Person Man]

Pat Buchanan has not been taking his Prozac.

[2952-0-0]

Oh great, more of those vague "de-facto" associations. Apart from a simple glance at a map, which would indicate it's absurd to think France could retake Quebec, the Quebecois had become culturally disassociated with France after hundreds of years of isolation (there are basically no politicians who talk of a French nation in North America). Not to mention the fact that the separatists of the time looked to the US with greater fondness, and the dire consequences of promoting disunity in a fellow NATO member. So, the "France wants to retake Quebec" analogy flies straight out the window onto the sidewalk.

As for this "Mexico wants to take over the US Southwest" thing, it's just ridiculous. If you're a poor Mexican who makes $800 a year, you will look at the US as a place to move to (in a dangerous and illegal way) improve your livelihoods. No one that poor will care about whether they have a "duty" to migrate.

Finally, I wouldn't take the words of someone who thinks Christians have a duty to support Apartheid South Africa and who supports the genocidal dictators of Congo and Liberia. Oh, and what happened to the tsunami he predicted would destroy the Pacific Northwest in 2006? This guy is a scamming attention whore. Nothing more.

[ag]

I've been reading Pat Buchanan's State of Emergency

Mexico, the country that couldn't find Subcomandante Marcos, Mexic

What do you mean they couldn't find him? He didn't even try to hide. They had him in Congress, on TV, at the national university or wherever else.  His current location is normally well-known by zillions of people, including those in security forces. They chose not to arrest him, not to create a martyr, but that's another matter.

[ag]

I've been reading Pat Buchanan's State of Emergency and the in the book he makes several points trying to explain that some within the Mexican Goverment are trying to undermine America's Southwest because they view it as their territory so they are going about trying to do this by encourging  illegal immigration so they can seperate the American Southwest through cultural and economic means. So after looking around I think Pat Buchanan may be on to something. He also said that Mexico is attepting to undermine America's soverignity in the Southwest like France attempted to do to Canada over Quebec by viewing it as lost territory?

Any opinions on this claim?   

Pile of idiotic crap.

[Kevin]

This thread is nothing short of hilarity. But it's nothing suprising, though.

How is this hilarious?