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« Reply #425 on: February 04, 2008, 01:32:01 AM »

OTL, Woodsworth was born in Ontario (where his family had resided since the early 1800s at least), and his family moved to Manitoba when he was young. Since Manitoba would be in a different country, the American Woodsworth family remained in Ontario in my timeline.
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« Reply #426 on: February 04, 2008, 03:12:19 AM »

1) If the Senate members are elected using districts like in our House of Representatives, where on earth is there enough centralized Prohibition support to win a seat (or in the last election, two seats)?

2) Is there any sort of separatist movements in any parts of the country (Quebec, Maritimes, Southwest, Cuba, former British Canada)? And if so will we see any sort of part arise like with the Bloc?

As always, amazing work.
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« Reply #427 on: February 04, 2008, 01:04:58 PM »

Nice update, can't wait to see the new states!
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« Reply #428 on: February 04, 2008, 01:09:39 PM »

1) If the Senate members are elected using districts like in our House of Representatives, where on earth is there enough centralized Prohibition support to win a seat (or in the last election, two seats)?

With three major parties, they would only need about 30% of the vote. I could see that happening in a lot of semi-rural areas in the Midwest and South, and maybe in parts of New England as well.
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« Reply #429 on: February 04, 2008, 01:28:34 PM »

I'd like to see a President Gravel of  Alaska in the 70's Wink
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« Reply #430 on: February 04, 2008, 01:38:49 PM »

I'd like to see a President Gravel of  Alaska in the 70's Wink

*beats with stick for suggesting that*
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« Reply #431 on: February 04, 2008, 07:55:49 PM »

PANCHO! PANCHO! PANCHO!

I really don't see Slovakia as incorporating itself with Bohemia and Moravia, given its connections with the Kingdom of Hungary, of which it was a part. I also think it would be more viable if Bohemia was in personal union with Austria. Croatia was, like Slovakia, a part of the Kingdom of Hungary. Would it join Yugoslavia? I can imagine Bosnia and Herzegovina would.

BTW, Yugoslavia wasn't named Yugoslavia until the late '30s.
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« Reply #432 on: February 04, 2008, 08:39:12 PM »


BTW, Yugoslavia wasn't named Yugoslavia until the late '30s.

Well it would be possible that it could be named Yugoslavia from the beginning, since the name means union of the Southern Slavs, instead of first being called the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes. Also I think it would be possible that such a Yugoslavia would be smaller than our Yugoslavia. It is quite possible that an independent Hungary could keep all of pre-Trianon Hungary, including Croatia, which had historically been part of Hungary since the 1200s. Also likely would be that the Slovenes remain part of Austria as, again, they had been directly ruled from Vienna since the 1300s. They would basically be nothing more than a slight extension of Styria and Steiermark.
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« Reply #433 on: February 04, 2008, 10:14:33 PM »

I'd like to see a President Gravel of  Alaska in the 70's Wink

*beats with stick for suggesting that*

Just realized he could'nt be since he was born in New England :-p
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« Reply #434 on: February 04, 2008, 10:27:25 PM »

I'd like to see a President Gravel of  Alaska in the 70's Wink

*beats with stick for suggesting that*

Just realized he could'nt be since he was born in New England :-p

Very few jurisdictions mandate that.
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« Reply #435 on: February 08, 2008, 03:30:08 AM »

Great Update.

May I ask what's the current situation in Russia and Kerensky's Government?
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« Reply #436 on: February 08, 2008, 08:29:37 PM »

This is really cool. Speaking as an Oregonian, how do Oregon and Lower Columbia get split up? I imagine it wouldn't be the same as OTL. Maybe we see the border get moved a little more?
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« Reply #437 on: February 10, 2008, 11:48:56 PM »

Waiting anxiously for the next update.
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« Reply #438 on: February 11, 2008, 04:47:10 AM »

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« Reply #439 on: February 12, 2008, 06:02:08 PM »

I'll try to update this weekend, though I'm spending the entire day campaigning for Obama. But I'll try.
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« Reply #440 on: February 12, 2008, 09:11:55 PM »

I'll try to update this weekend, though I'm spending the entire day campaigning for Obama. But I'll try.

I cannot wait until the update. Good luck with the Obama campaign Smiley
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« Reply #441 on: February 13, 2008, 01:01:18 AM »

I'll try to update this weekend, though I'm spending the entire day campaigning for Obama. But I'll try.

The campaign is a higher cause, we can wait. Smiley
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« Reply #442 on: February 15, 2008, 11:49:23 AM »

bump...go to your rally. I am just keeping this guy visible.
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« Reply #443 on: February 16, 2008, 02:57:52 PM »

Bumping this, even though I know an update is coming soon
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« Reply #444 on: February 20, 2008, 12:58:35 AM »

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« Reply #445 on: February 20, 2008, 01:59:33 PM »

I just read this whole thing this morning, skipped class to keep going, what a great time line. Did you get into UT man?
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« Reply #446 on: February 23, 2008, 02:53:33 PM »

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« Reply #447 on: February 24, 2008, 08:55:58 PM »
« Edited: February 25, 2008, 03:50:18 PM by Texas4Obama! »

The American Monarch: 1922 - 1925

Coming off a successful war and legislative achievement, Roosevelt’s Liberal Party did well in the November 1922 Royal Council elections.  The first since 1914 (the 1918 elections had been canceled under the 13th amendment due to the ongoing war), the Liberals made major gains, and won a majority of the new Canadian provinces.



The Royal Council after the Election of 1922:
Liberal Party: 29 Seats (+3)
Populist Party: 11 Seats (+0)
Social Democratic Party: 14 Seats (+3)
Total: 54 Seats

But December 1922 saw national tragedy, as King Robert II died peacefully in Arlington. At seventy-six, Robert II had lived through tumultuous decades of war and recession, and had been criticized in his later years for being too close to the wealthy elite. Crown Prince George, at the age of 39, was crowned in January, at a formal ceremony at Arlington Palace, along with Queen Consort Alice1. Prince George, rather than being crowned George III (a name that carried with it some historically negative connotations), took the name Henry (his middle-name), becoming King Henry I. King Henry, in his first speech before the Senate in March 1923, vowed to work closely with the legislature, and gave his support for internationalism and interventionism, commending General Fred Funston and the RAEF for their efforts in support of democracy in Russia. A combined American-Russian force led by American General Frederick Funston and Russian General Lavr Kornilov would take Moscow in late April 1923, effectively ending the Russian Civil War.  While Vladimir Ulyanov (also known as Vladimir Lenin) was executed by Kerensky’s government, the other leader of the communist revolt, Leon Trotsky, escaped to communist Hungary.


King Henry I

By the summer of 1923, the American economy began to slow down, with farmers especially hit by a farm crisis and declining crop prices. Opposition Leader Villa and Populist leader John Garner both pushed Roosevelt to pass a farm bill, while Secretary Coolidge famously proclaimed that agriculture must “stand independent.” Theodore Roosevelt once again found himself to the left of his caucus, as a private supporter of the farm relief bill. Nonetheless, when the vote on the bill came up, it failed by a 217 to 232 margin, with Roosevelt voting against the bill (though many of Roosevelt’s allies in the Liberal Party came out in favor of the bill). But the rift in the Liberal Party was soon overshadowed. In 1924, the Mexican government collapsed into civil war with the assassination of Victoriano Huerta2 by communist terrorists. Immediately the country once again fractured into warring factions: Emiliano Zapata led a socialist peasants army, based largely in Southern Mexico; Félix Díaz (nephew of former dictator Porfirio Díaz) led a conservative faction based around Mexico City; Álvaro Obregón, who was raised in Sonora as an American, but had returned to Mexico after the fall of Díaz, was a skilled and charismatic general, who quickly took control of the American border regions with a somewhat-democratic faction; and the Mexican Communist Party (PCM) led by labor leader Luis Morones, which had the strong support of workers in the north.

With Mexico descending into anarchy, King Henry I called a joint session of the Royal Council and Senate in May 1924. He called for American military intervention in Mexico to restore political order, asking the Royal Council to approve the use of military force and the Senate to fund it. Prime Minister Roosevelt, and the Liberal Party, supported intervention whole-heartedly, for both moral reasons (the spreading of democracy into Mexico), defensive reasons (preventing the destablization of Mexico from affecting the southern United States), and business reasons (as many American businessmen wanted to expand into Mexico). The Populist Party, as per usual with foreign affairs, vehemently opposed what they saw as an un-needed, imperalist excursion. The SDP, however, was split: while Opposition Leader Villa supported the intervention, the so-called “Peace Wing” of the party, led by Sen. William Z. Foster (SDP-MA) and popular Mayor Norman Thomas of New York, opposed it. Nevertheless, the Senate passed the Mexican Stability Authorization Act in July 1924, by a vote of 319 to 138. The Royal Council also authorized an invasion of Mexico in July, despite a 21-hour-long filibuster by Councilor William J. Bryan of Nebraska, by a vote of 34 to 20.

General John Pershing was put in charge of the invasion of Mexico. As the army and navy prepared, Secretary of State Longworth met with Gen. Álvaro Obregón, the rebel leader that the Roosevelt government and King Henry I both thought would make the most agreeable leader of Mexico. Obregón agreed to set up a constitutional republic with free and fair elections in exchange for support from the United States armed forces. With this secret agreement between Obregón and Longworth , Pershing left Brownsville in October 1924, and set out across the barren landscape of northern Mexico. The first battle of the “war” occurred only a few days after Pershing’s army had crossed the Rio Grande, when PCM forces attacked an American detachment. Pershing pressed forward, defeating the majority of the PCM army in the Battle of Saltillo in January 1925. It quickly became clear that the PCM was unable to resist Pershing’s or Obregón’s advance, and with the capture of Durango in March 1925, and PCM leader Luis Morones, the communist forces were effectively defeated.

As Obregón and Pershing marched towards Mexico City, in the United States, election time was approaching. While Roosevelt had the constitutional ability to post-pone elections due to the war, the ever combative Prime Minister called for elections anyway. Though ailing and weak, Roosevelt easily won re-election at the Liberal Party convention in April. The SDP convention, held in New York, saw a bitter divide rear its head. Mayor Norman Thomas, who by governing the city the convention was held in was able to exercise much control over the proceedings, pushed for  a peace plank to be added to the party’s platform, which was resisted by Francisco Villa, the leader of the party. Eventually, Villa defeated the peace plank, though by a small margin. In the election for party leader, Thomas and the “Peace Wing” of the party ran a number of candidates against Villa, in an attempt to deny him a first ballot victory, though Villa was able to gain the votes of a slim majority of delegates on the first ballot. At the Populist convention, John Garner announced his retirement, famously remarking that being the leader of a minority party was “not worth a bucket of warm piss.” After a few rounds of balloting, John W. Davis of Virginia was elected the leader of the Populist Party.

The split in the major opposition party, as well as the war’s popularity amongst American people, resulted in one of the largest landslides in American history that June, delivering Theodore Roosevelt his third term. His third cabinet remained largely unchanged from his second.



The Senate after the Election of 1925:
Liberal Party: 303 Seats (+48)
Populist Party: 63 Seats (-14)
Social Democratic Party: 118 Seats (-6)
Total: 484 Seats

1Crown Prince George and his wife Alice had had three children: Robert Theodore Custis Lee (born 1908), Martha Ellen Lee (born 1910), and Edward Alexander Lee (born 1911).
2Huerta had been put into power largely with the support of the United States government, and supported through the World War with American funding and weapons, to prevent an anti-American government from seizing power to the south and opening up another front.
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« Reply #448 on: February 24, 2008, 09:01:49 PM »

Great Update Smiley

Who were the other candidates for the Populist Party leadership?
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« Reply #449 on: February 24, 2008, 09:03:40 PM »

Thanks for being patient guys. I'll answer some of the questions asked.

As Verily noted, for the Prohibition party to win a seat, they'd only need about 30% or so of the vote, and are thus able to win the occasional seat in the Senate.

There aren't currently any serious separatist movements, though there is the occasional French- or Spanish-speaking separatist group popping up in Quebec or Sonora/Hamilton, respectively.

Xahar, I'll admit that I'm hardly an expert on the various ethnic divisions of the early 20th century Europe. Thank you for the suggestions.

Unfortunately, my ability to make a Ted Stevens or Mike Gravel the Premier of British Alaska is hindered by the fact that they, and a majority of well-known Alaskan politicians, were actually born and raised in the continental United States. Sad

TN2024, I was accepted to UT, but I'm waiting until April when I get replies from some of the other colleges to which I applied to make a final decision.
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