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« Reply #550 on: June 27, 2008, 08:39:32 PM »

The world seems to be going to hell in a handbasket.
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« Reply #551 on: June 28, 2008, 12:02:01 AM »

Interesting analysis of the situation around the World during the 1930's Lief. Thanks for doing that, now I don't have to ask you random questions about the World, except for Australia of course Wink. However I assume that Robert Menzies of the UAP is the incumbent Prime Minister of Australia? It would be great if he is defeated in 1940 by John Curtin of the ALP who narrowly lost the 1940 General Election in RL.

Like many of your devoted readers of the American Monarchy timeline, I'm surprised with this Oswald Mosley in your TL. This version of  Mosley is much better seeing Oswald Mosley become a fascist like Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. Before I forget, I'm also glad to see Alexander Kerensky as Russian Premier.
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« Reply #552 on: July 08, 2008, 10:32:30 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2008, 01:00:09 PM by Governor Lief »

The American Monarchy: 1938 - 1941

Prime Minister Francisco Villa entered into the summer 1938 elections immensely popular. The 59-year-old Villa was re-nominated unanimously at the SDP convention in Philadelphia, where he called for even further progress: nationalization of major industry following final ratification of the 23rd amendment, national healthcare, social security, and civil rights legislation. Villa would spend the rest of the spring and the summer focused on foreign policy, particularly the situation in China and relations with Ireland. In March 1938, he finalized the Irish-American Defensive Pact, after months of negotiation and a two-week visit to Ireland with Crown Prince Robert. At the ILP convention in Kansas City, there were calls from many delegates to disband the party and join the SDP, as there were fears that the SDP would win a majority of seats and no longer need the ILP in their coalition. The motion was narrowly defeated, mostly due to apprehension from the isolationist wing of the party, following the Irish-American treaty.  William Borah declined to run for re-election as party leader, and Kansas Senator Alf Landon was elected as party head on the fourth ballot. At the Liberal Party convention, held in Boston, R.B. Bennett was challenged for the nomination by Senator Arthur Vandenberg of Michigan, an ardent isolationist who opposed Villa's treaty. Bennet, an interventionist, supported the treaty. Vandenberg defeated Bennett 57% to 41%, and Bennett quickly endorsed him, though some interventionist Liberals walked out of the convention. A week later, at the Populist convention held in Richmond, Virginia, Theodore G. Bilbo also lost his bid for re-election as party leader. Hugo Black, a former Royal Councilor from Mississippi who had lost his seat in the 1934 election by less than 5,000 votes eventually won election as Populist Party leader. While Black promised a revival of the party, it had, in the four years since its landslide 1934 defeat, fallen apart in many ways, losing many of its financial backers and struggling to recruit candidates. Finally, at the ANL convention held in late May, Alvin York was easily re-nominated, and the party platform was re-written to emphasize a strong military and protecting American interests around the world, in an attempt to gain the support of interventionist Liberals.

The June election saw a landslide victory for the SDP, as the party gained control of a majority of the seats in the Senate. The Populist Party’s vote share fell to a new low of 2.4%, only 0.9% higher than that of the Communist Party. The Liberal Party again suffered losses, and the ILP was surprised to see their vote share decrease, as many of their voters switched to the SDP. Besides Villa’s party, the only party to increase their total vote share was the ANL, which shockingly won the second highest popular vote share. The Senate would only briefly reconvene that fall to overwhelmingly approve the Irish-American Defensive Pact, before the Royal Council elections that fall, which saw further SDP gains.

The Senate after the Election of 1938:
Liberal Party: 20.7% PV   (-5.4%)   
39 CS; 55 PLS; 94 Total Seats (-47)
Social Democratic Party: 40.8% PV (+11.3%)
162 CS; 108 PLS; 270 Total Seats (+98)
Populist Party: 2.4% PV (-1.1%)
5 CS; 0 PLS; 5 Total Seats (-18)
Independent Liberal Party: 11.6% PV (-6.6%)
11 CS; 31 PLS; 42 Total Seats (-47)
American National League: 21.7% PV (+3.2%)
33 CS; 56 PLS; 89 Total Seats (+14)
Other Parties: 2.8% PV (-1.4%)
   0 CS; 0 PLS; 0 Total Seats
Total: 500 Seats

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The Royal Council after the Election of 1938:
Liberal Party: 10 Seats (-8)
Social Democratic Party: 35 Seats (+11)
Independent Liberal Party: 4 Seats (-3)
American National League: 5 Seats (+2)
Total: 54 Seats

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The Second Villa Cabinet (July 1938):
Prime Minister: Francisco Villa (SDP-HM)
Deputy Prime Minister: Norman Thomas (SDP-NY)
Majority Whip: Harry S Truman (SDP-MO)
Secretary of State: Norman Thomas (SDP-NY)
Secretary of the Treasury: Henry A. Wallace (SDP-IA)
Secretary of War: Robert F. Wagner (SDP-NY)
Attorney General: Seymour Stedman (SDP-IL)
Secretary of the Interior: Glen H. Taylor (SDP-LK)
Secretary of Agriculture: Sam Rayburn (SDP-TX)
Secretary of Commerce: Harry Hopkins (SDP-NY)
Secretary of Labor: J. S. Woodsworth (SDP-ON)

When the Senate reconvened in 1939, the focus was, much to Villa’s disappointment, foreign policy. The war in China had become increasingly bloody, as Japanese and British forces pushed into the country from the north and south, respectively. Alvin York, leader of the ANL, called on Villa to stand up to the British-Japanese alliance, warning that, if he did not, they would soon rest their eyes on American possessions. Opposition Leader Vandenberg seemed to come to Villa’s defense, warning that an American excursion in China would lead to the unneeded deaths of thousands of Americans. In April 1939, after a series of bitter meetings with his cabinet (which was largely split between isolationist and interventionists), Villa agreed to send a detachment of the Pacific fleet to the Philippines, along with an additional 30,000 American troops. In the summer of 1939, as Oswald Mosley won a landslide re-election in the United Kingdom, Secretary of State Norman Thomas was in Europe before the League of Nations, demanding that Britain halt its invasion of China; a week later, the House of Commons overwhelmingly voted in favor of leaving the League. Meanwhile, in the United States, Villa had turned back to his domestic agenda. With the passage of the 23rd amendment in late 1938, the SDP-dominated Senate easily re-passed the Railroad Act and the Banking Act, nationalizing major railway lines and banks. The passage of these acts, now constitutional, was applauded by the left, but the Liberal Party fiercely opposed it, and petitioned King Henry to veto the bills, which he refused, arguing that they represented the will of the people.

As 1940 began, Prime Minister Villa and his government attempted to continue to push forward with their domestic agenda, but the Senate was once again distracted by international developments. In China, Chinese forces had attempted another assault on Hong Kong, believing that, if they took the British enclave, they would be able to end British involvement. The assault, began in late 1939, was called off by the spring of 1940, with the British defenders again having turned back the Chinese assault. By the end of the Second Battle of Hong Kong, nearly 350,000 Chinese soldiers were dead, with British and Japanese losses at about 100,000. On April 19th, the British Field Marshall Harold Alexander began a massive assault on the important southern Chinese city of Kunming, where Chinese forces had been heavily fortified. In the United States Senate, Shadow Secretary of War William Dudley Pelley, an ANL Senator from Carolina, demanded that America intervene, before Kunming fell and “Britain, the eternal enemy of American freedom, controls the entire orient!” In May, as the Battle of Kunming continued to rage, Villa presented the Lend-Lease Act to the Senate, permitting the King to supply the Chinese government with vast amounts of war material. Though his party was split on intervening in China, the folksy and charming Majority Whip Harry Truman was able to twist enough SDP arms to get most of the party voting for the act. Along with ANL support, the Lend-Lease Act was passed 303 to 195 in late May.

Following the summer recess, the Senate returned to domestic policy. After a month of debate and amendments, King Henry signed the Social Security Act of 1940 into law in September 1940. Villa, though initially pleased with the passage of the landmark legislation, was frustrated once again when, just a week later, on September 19th, Kunming fell to British forces. Villa called an emergency cabinet meeting, and the King arranged a meeting between Villa, his cabinet, the monarch and his advisors. King Henry argued that, if the United States waited much longer to intervene in China, then it would be too late. Secretary of War Wagner argued that the American people wouldn’t support an unprovoked declaration of war against the British and Japanese and that the United States was not prepared for war in China or the inevitable naval conflicts in the Pacific and Atlantic. As the meeting ended, the king and the cabinet agreed to wait on entering into the conflict formally and continue funding the Chinese war effort. When the Prime Minister returned to the Senate, he oversaw passage of the Two-Ocean Navy Act, which called for an increase in the United States Navy by 50%, and the Selective Training and Service Act, beginning the first peacetime draft in the country’s history. When 1941 began, the outlook in China was still grim, though a change in Chinese strategy, as well as the support of American weapons and money, had slowed down the British and Japanese advances. The Americans had encouraged the Chinese to go on the defensive and used scorched-earth tactics and guerilla warfare to slow down the Japanese and British.

On Easter Sunday, 1941, three bombs exploded outside the Belfast City Hall, killing two British soldiers and nineteen civilians. The next day, Prime Minister Oswald Mosley blamed the terrorist attack on the Irish government, and within days, the United Kingdom and the Irish Republic were at war.
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« Reply #553 on: July 08, 2008, 11:09:55 PM »

RED STORM! Smiley

The Anglo-Irish War should be fun.
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« Reply #554 on: July 09, 2008, 06:34:51 AM »

Just read through the last updates I had missed over the past weeks. Excellent job!

A few questions though, on OTL Canadian politicians. What are Mackenzie King, Maurice Duplessis, and Tommy Douglas doing in this timeline? Also, who are the Royal Councillors from Ontario and Quebec?

Thanks Wink
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« Reply #555 on: July 09, 2008, 09:09:54 AM »

Unfortunatly the SDP won't fall until after the war. But they should do it spectacularly when it happens, especially if they keep stealing companies.
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« Reply #556 on: July 09, 2008, 12:33:31 PM »

Unfortunatly the SDP won't fall until after the war. But they should do it spectacularly when it happens, especially if they keep stealing companies.

"Stealing companies"? Tongue

Lief, is there anything of interest in India?
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« Reply #557 on: July 09, 2008, 12:51:23 PM »

Unfortunatly the SDP won't fall until after the war. But they should do it spectacularly when it happens, especially if they keep stealing companies.

"Stealing companies"? Tongue

How is the government taking companies from people not stealing it? It's not like the government started the company. They just didn't like how it was run so they came in and took it.
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« Reply #558 on: July 09, 2008, 02:06:21 PM »

I am surprised you did not include a picture of Francisco Villa. Here is a link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pancho_villa_horseback.jpg
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« Reply #559 on: July 09, 2008, 05:13:10 PM »

Just read through the last updates I had missed over the past weeks. Excellent job!

A few questions though, on OTL Canadian politicians. What are Mackenzie King, Maurice Duplessis, and Tommy Douglas doing in this timeline? Also, who are the Royal Councillors from Ontario and Quebec?

Thanks Wink
William Lyon Mackenzie King was, for a time, a Liberal Senator from Ontario, and a supporter of Roosevelt and the progressive faction of the Liberals. When the ILP split from the Liberals, he did not follow them, and chose not to stand for re-election. He is currently an advisor to King Henry.

Maurice Duplessis is the leader of Quebecois-branch of the Liberal Party. He and his supporters took control of the Quebec Liberal Party in 1936, kicking out the leadership that had been allied with the national party. Though the Liberals lost a Senate seat in Quebec in 1938, they, under Duplessis, increased their margins in the state legislature and held on to the Quebec Royal Council seat, currently held by Camillien Houde.

Tommy Douglas is a social activist and minister in the state of Madison (which is the state made up of our Alberta and Saskatchewan) and a supporter of the SDP. He ran for Senate in 1938 against incumbent ILP Senator John Edward Brownlee, but lost narrowly. He plans to stand for the seat again in the next election.

Arthur Meighen is the Royal Councilor from Quebec.
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« Reply #560 on: July 09, 2008, 05:15:22 PM »

Smiley
Thank you.
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« Reply #561 on: July 09, 2008, 05:43:43 PM »

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« Reply #562 on: July 09, 2008, 05:47:23 PM »

Not at the moment, no. A lot of soldiers and war material are being pulled out of India to support British forces on the Chinese front.
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« Reply #563 on: July 09, 2008, 05:49:47 PM »

Not at the moment, no. A lot of soldiers and war material are being pulled out of India to support British forces on the Chinese front.

What's Gandhi up to?
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« Reply #564 on: July 09, 2008, 06:00:33 PM »

Gandhi is a major figure within the Indian National Congress and the independence movement. He, as well as the rest of the Indian National Congress, opposed the war with China from the beginning, especially because of the use of Indian troops in the fighting. This opposition to the war has led Gandhi and other Indian leaders to more forcefully call for independence. He, along with Nehru and other leaders, was arrested by the British in 1941.
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« Reply #565 on: July 09, 2008, 06:30:06 PM »

Gandhi is a major figure within the Indian National Congress and the independence movement. He, as well as the rest of the Indian National Congress, opposed the war with China from the beginning, especially because of the use of Indian troops in the fighting. This opposition to the war has led Gandhi and other Indian leaders to more forcefully call for independence. He, along with Nehru and other leaders, was arrested by the British in 1941.

Is there any equivalent of the WWII-era INA?
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« Reply #566 on: July 10, 2008, 12:09:38 AM »

Gandhi is a major figure within the Indian National Congress and the independence movement. He, as well as the rest of the Indian National Congress, opposed the war with China from the beginning, especially because of the use of Indian troops in the fighting. This opposition to the war has led Gandhi and other Indian leaders to more forcefully call for independence. He, along with Nehru and other leaders, was arrested by the British in 1941.

Is there any equivalent of the WWII-era INA?
Not as of the end of 1940, no.
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« Reply #567 on: July 12, 2008, 02:24:48 PM »
« Edited: July 12, 2008, 02:29:06 PM by Kevinstat »


Based on the Irish-American defensive pact, it will probably quickly turn in to an Anglo-American war as well.

The different spheres of influence and at least three groups of countries in Europe that don't or probably don't each other in (four if there's animosity between Labourite Britain and Soviet Hungary, although Britain may not have any other European contries in its orbit and might form a tacit or formal alliance with Hungary out of having mutual enemies and complementing each other in wars against the Americo-German and fascist pacts) is very interesting, moreso than the pre-WWII situation in OTL IMHO.  Does Britain still have decent naval strength (I remember reading Germany became the leading naval power after the last big war).  Will there be some early territory changes shortly before and during the next big conflict that I suspect is coming like there were before World War II in OTL.  Hungary's seizure of land from Serbia would count if the war doesn't start more than say, 7 years after the end of that war or if pre-collossal war tension doesn't abate before such a war finally breaks out.
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« Reply #568 on: July 12, 2008, 02:33:14 PM »

How's the Middle East?
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« Reply #569 on: July 12, 2008, 03:32:52 PM »

Maybe to make his timeline read like an American living in the timeline would see it, Lief's going to mostly ignore the Middle East until after the next big war as most Americans and the U.S. Government seemed to (at least the people in it) in OTL, and then still largely ignore it for decades while dealing with a post-war threat before the thread starts to really mention specifics there on a regular basis.
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« Reply #570 on: July 12, 2008, 04:48:21 PM »

While not quite the Middle East, given the historical relations in OTL between the United States and Morocco. I could easily see Morocco being a U.S. ally as they try to keep from being gobbled up by the perfidious French and Spanish.
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« Reply #571 on: July 12, 2008, 09:50:06 PM »

While not quite the Middle East, given the historical relations in OTL between the United States and Morocco. I could easily see Morocco being a U.S. ally as they try to keep from being gobbled up by the perfidious French and Spanish.

You mean in this time line, right?  I think OTL means "our time line," the one we're living in reading this thread.  ATL (for "alternate time line") is sometimes used to describe the fictional time line being detailed.  Was there a strong connection in real life between the U.S. and what is now Morrocco before where we are now in this timeline (three days after Easter Sunday in 1941)?
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« Reply #572 on: July 18, 2008, 11:42:12 PM »

Nothing has happened in this timeline that would require that American-Moroccan relations be butterflied into something different from our timeline. 
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« Reply #573 on: July 23, 2008, 06:42:52 AM »

I hadn't been aware of us having had strong ties with Morrocco before 1940 in real life (about where we are now in this timeline).  I don't know everything, though.
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« Reply #574 on: August 14, 2008, 11:17:22 AM »

What are James Byrnes and William O. Douglas doing in this TL?
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