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« Reply #675 on: June 17, 2011, 02:08:49 AM »

What of Senate reform?
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« Reply #676 on: June 17, 2011, 06:48:50 AM »


It won't be ready to be put to referendum.

I presume FG have now got around to having a look at the Constitution and realised that it's quite a redrafting exercise to extricating references to the Seanad from it.
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« Reply #677 on: June 21, 2011, 09:42:12 AM »

By the by, I came accross the most excellent Irish Political Maps blog a while ago, which may be of interest to some of you.

The blog contains an increasing number of constituency templates (North and South) goin back to 1801; as well as results maps for particular elections, referenda and parties; and some other bits and pieces.
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« Reply #678 on: June 21, 2011, 09:46:17 AM »

Ah, now that is good.
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« Reply #679 on: June 27, 2011, 08:00:27 AM »

Another answer to an old question...

FF and FG tribal split traced back to 12th century - Irish Times
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« Reply #680 on: June 27, 2011, 09:35:03 AM »
« Edited: June 27, 2011, 09:43:49 AM by patrick1 »


Very interesting, I love the study of surnames so this was right up my alley.

Lets look at the Taoiseach surnames

De Valera-FF- Spanish
Costello-FG- Norman
Lemass- FF-I think Norman/French derivative- very rare name.
Lynch- FF- Norman
Cosgrave- FG- Gaelic
Haughey- FF- Gaelic
Fitzgerald- FG- Norman
Reynolds- FF- Norman
Bruton-FG- Anglo
Ahern- FF- Gaelic
Cowen-FF- Gaelic
Kenny- FG- Gaelic

Presidents
Hyde- no party- Welsh- edit. I think Hyde is actually Anglo origin
O'Kelly- FF- Gaelic
Childers- FF- Anglo
O' Dalaigh- FF- Gaelic
Hillery- FF-Anglo
Bourke- (Robinson) Labour- Norman
Leneghan- FF- Gaelic

And just because I like the topic
Pearse- Anglo
MacDermott- Gaelic
MacDonagah- Gaelic
Clarke- Anglo
Kent- Anglo
Connolly- Gaelic
Plunkett- Norman






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« Reply #681 on: June 30, 2011, 07:10:25 AM »
« Edited: June 30, 2011, 08:00:23 AM by Јas »

The preliminary results of the Irish Census from April are now out. The population is now registered at 4,581,269 (up from 4,239,848 in 2006) - a 150 year high.

The release includes data (and maps) concerning population changes (both natural and migratory), sex ratios, the housing stock (including data on the sizable vacant housing stock).

The release presents the data that will underpin the Constituency Commission's work for the drafting of new proposed constituency boundaries at national and European level that has to be completed within 3 months of the release of the finalised data (which wil happen next April).

The Programme for Government commits to a reduction in the number of TDs. Under these figures, and noting the Constitutional limit that there must be no fewer than 1 TD per 30,000 people (and no more than 1 per 20,000), the lower limit for TDs would be 152 - a reduction of 14 (FG had been suggesting they'd like at least a reduction of 20). Hopefully I'll be able to get round to looking at possible constituency redrawings at some point.
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« Reply #682 on: July 01, 2011, 02:04:57 PM »

The preliminary results of the Irish Census from April are now out. The population is now registered at 4,581,269 (up from 4,239,848 in 2006) - a 150 year high.

The release includes data (and maps) concerning population changes (both natural and migratory), sex ratios, the housing stock (including data on the sizable vacant housing stock).

The release presents the data that will underpin the Constituency Commission's work for the drafting of new proposed constituency boundaries at national and European level that has to be completed within 3 months of the release of the finalised data (which wil happen next April).

The Programme for Government commits to a reduction in the number of TDs. Under these figures, and noting the Constitutional limit that there must be no fewer than 1 TD per 30,000 people (and no more than 1 per 20,000), the lower limit for TDs would be 152 - a reduction of 14 (FG had been suggesting they'd like at least a reduction of 20). Hopefully I'll be able to get round to looking at possible constituency redrawings at some point.


It also means that the CSO has underestimated Ireland's population by about 100.000 people for this year. Probably the emigration was not as high as originally thought and the annual growth rate of 1.8% is still one of the highest in Europe, if not the highest one.
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« Reply #683 on: October 07, 2011, 08:49:01 AM »

Add a dozen to SF and you got something good going
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« Reply #684 on: March 22, 2012, 04:37:35 PM »

The 3,200 page report of the Mahon Tribunal, looking into payments to politicians particularly relating planning permissions, was published today. The Tribunal was set up in 1997.

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It seems the FF leadership is going to move to expel Ahern from the party.

The report also accuses FF Ministers in 2007/08 of effectively seeking to collapse the enquiry (in their efforts to defend Ahern). How, or if, FF deal with that will be interesting.
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« Reply #685 on: March 22, 2012, 04:42:06 PM »

This is great fun.
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« Reply #686 on: March 22, 2012, 04:48:16 PM »


Somehow I'm not surprised that he turned out to be a corrupt sleazeball. Only unfortunate thing is that they can't indict and convict him on corruption yet. Onto the next stage: criminal investigation.
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« Reply #687 on: March 22, 2012, 05:29:55 PM »

Hahahahahaha
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« Reply #688 on: March 24, 2012, 01:49:28 PM »
« Edited: March 24, 2012, 04:35:34 PM by ObserverIE »

The 3,200 page report of the Mahon Tribunal, looking into payments to politicians particularly relating planning permissions, was published today. The Tribunal was set up in 1997.

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It seems the FF leadership is going to move to expel Ahern from the party.

The report also accuses FF Ministers in 2007/08 of effectively seeking to collapse the enquiry (in their efforts to defend Ahern). How, or if, FF deal with that will be interesting.

Unfortunately, it doesn't name names; the three names being mentioned most often in media dispatches are:

Dermot Ahern (then Minister for Justice who B. Ahern famously sent up every tree in north County Dublin looking for evidence of planning corruption, retired at last election claiming a bad back)
Dick "Cock" Roche (oleaginous former Minister for the Environment, humiliated at last election, although not before wasting people's time with a recount that would make no difference to the final result)
Willie O'Dea (walrus-moustachioed former Minister for Justice who was forced to resign for trying to slander a political opponent and who managed to get re-elected by dint of uber-clientelism).
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« Reply #689 on: March 24, 2012, 04:10:33 PM »

Oh, yes, watching Dick Roche go down last time was hilarious.
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« Reply #690 on: March 24, 2012, 04:37:31 PM »

In an exclusive interview with tomorrow's Volkischer Beobachter Sunday Independent, Ahern decides to jump before he's pushed.
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« Reply #691 on: March 25, 2012, 04:41:35 AM »

Lmao. Bertie Ahern exposed as corrupt, expelled from FF. What next - Pope exposed as Catholic, expelled from priesthood?
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« Reply #692 on: March 26, 2012, 02:18:48 AM »

State now morally as well as economically bankrupt, Diarmaid Ferriter, Irish Times
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« Reply #693 on: March 28, 2012, 07:37:03 PM »

Any idea when the Constituency Commission will release its report(s)?  Will there be one for European Parliament constituencies also?
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« Reply #694 on: March 29, 2012, 07:20:11 AM »

Any idea when the Constituency Commission will release its report(s)?

The Commission is required to report to the Chairman of the Dáil no later than 3 months after the publication by Central Statistics Office of the final population results from the census.

As it happens, the publication of the final population results by the CSO was done this morning.


Will there be one for European Parliament constituencies also?

Yes. It'll be part of the same report.
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« Reply #695 on: March 29, 2012, 05:40:38 PM »

So the entire statutory range of sizes for the Dail of 153 to 160 will be constitutional (4,588,252 / 30,000 = 152.94).  The constitutional range would be 153 to 229 (4,588,252 / 20,000 = 229.41).  Can a constituency have more than 30,000 people?
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« Reply #696 on: March 29, 2012, 07:24:53 PM »

So the entire statutory range of sizes for the Dail of 153 to 160 will be constitutional (4,588,252 / 30,000 = 152.94).  The constitutional range would be 153 to 229 (4,588,252 / 20,000 = 229.41).  Can a constituency have more than 30,000 people?

There has been a tolerance of about 8% from the national average in either direction allowed in the past. In the 80s, this would have produced some constituency averages under 20,000, so I don't suppose that a few constituency averages above 30,000 would be a problem.
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« Reply #697 on: March 30, 2012, 08:46:54 AM »

Can a constituency have more than 30,000 people?

Yes. At least in theory, and subject to Article 16.2.3 of the Constitution.

The mandate in the Constitution isn't that any particular constituency must have at least 20,000 people per TD or at most 30,000, but rather:

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The Supreme Court have interpreted this as follows:
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So, yes, I'd say over 30,000 could be permissible - but it would depend on the context of the decision.
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« Reply #698 on: April 19, 2012, 08:37:51 PM »

Mary Robinson is speaking at MSU's commencement this spring (when I'm graduating)... should I go?
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« Reply #699 on: May 25, 2012, 12:59:00 AM »
« Edited: May 25, 2012, 01:01:29 AM by Јas »

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