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Huckleberry Finn
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« on: February 06, 2004, 01:01:13 am »
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There is no "other" alternative. Sorry. But I think that there are all (at least major) ideologies of Western Civilization. I haven't voted yet, because I couldn't choose.
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I live in Finland. I vote Conservatives (National Coalition Party) in Finnish elections, but consider myself as moderate Democrat in the USA.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2004, 01:18:01 am »
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Christian Democracy/Paternalistic Conservatism means here something like social conservative with some (limited) form of welfare state. (universal healthcare, pensions, education, some social security)
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 05:47:28 am »
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I am a social democrat, but I am CERTAINLY not a socialist. In social terms, I am very liberal, but in economic terms, I am centrist. Centainly not socialist.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 06:57:37 am »
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Social Democracy and/or Liberalism, I guess. Something between these two.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2004, 08:19:08 am »
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I am a liberal Democrat, but I also sympathise with the libertarian point of views.  I voted liberal.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2004, 09:03:34 am »
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Bah.  Moderate-ism should be a choice!  Or at least classical liberalism.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2004, 10:00:12 am »
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I don't feel that my beliefs can be described completely by an 'ism'.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2004, 10:09:37 am »
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I choose Christian Democracy/ Paternalistic Conservatism, but I'm really more of a neo-conservative.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2004, 10:21:39 am »
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After quite a bit of consideration, I chose the Socialist option. While I agree with Marxist economic theory, and would be the first to hail the Soviet Union as a model of success, Communism is too reliant on authoritarian social stands to achieve its ends.

I would prefer to see some compromise on my economic stands to protect civil liberty rather than getting them in action, in toto, at the price of dissent being quashed.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 12:37:48 pm »
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After quite a bit of consideration, I chose the Socialist option. While I agree with Marxist economic theory, and would be the first to hail the Soviet Union as a model of success, Communism is too reliant on authoritarian social stands to achieve its ends.

I would prefer to see some compromise on my economic stands to protect civil liberty rather than getting them in action, in toto, at the price of dissent being quashed.

The Soivet Union a success?HuhHuhHuh? I am not gonna destroy this thread by discussing it, we could make another therad for that, but I want to state my complete disagreement there.

I am supposing that liberalism is American liberalism, social liberalism in the European vocabulary. I haven't made up my mind yet.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2004, 05:32:06 pm »
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I truly hope that I didnít mislead anybody with my Christian Democracy/Traditional Conservatism alternative. I thought it as European form of conservatism, which is fairly more moderate on economy issues (Acceptance of governments role as solver of some problems of society) My alternative Conservatism is intended more as traditional American republican conservatism which favours very limited role of government.

Hughento. I can't see that there is big difference between social democracy and socialism. There are both socialist and social democrats parties in European moderate Left. In Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Netherlands these parties are called as social democrats. (I would consider UK Labour Party to this category too) In catholic Southern Europe moderate left parties are called as socialist. General image is that social democrats are little bit more moderate than socialists. However, all these parties are members of Socialistic International and they have common group in European Parliament. All these parties support market economy nowadays. Socialism as meaning of governments ownership of businesses is really dead. Nationalization is communist politics.

htmldon. I think that moderate-ism is too vague term to describe an ideology. There are people who call themselves as moderate leftists, as moderate conservatives, as moderate liberal.... Too fuzzy. I also see classical liberalism and libertarianism almost identifical alternatives.

Gustaf. Yep. My alternative liberalism is American liberalism, social liberalism in European vocabulary.  
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2004, 07:15:27 pm »
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I truly hope that I havenít misled anybody with my Christian Democracy/Traditional Conservatism alternative. I thought it as European form of conservatism, which is fairly more moderate on economy issues (Acceptance of governments role as solver of some problems of society) My alternative Conservatism is intended more as traditional American republican conservatism which favours very limited role of government.

Hughento. I can't see that there is big difference between social democracy and socialism. There are both socialist and social democrats parties in European moderate Left. In Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Netherlands these parties are called as social democrats. (I would consider UK Labour Party to this category too) In catholic Southern Europe moderate left parties are called as socialist. General image is that social democrats are little bit more moderate than socialists. However, all these parties are members of Socialistic International and they have common group in European Parliament. All these parties support market economy nowadays. Socialism as meaning of governments ownership of businesses is really dead. Nationalization is communist politics.

htmldon. I think that moderate-ism is too vague term to describe an ideology. There are people who call themselves as moderate leftists, as moderate conservatives, as moderate liberal.... Too fuzzy. I also see classical liberalism and libertarianism almost identifical alternatives.

Gustaf. Yep. My alternative liberalism is American liberalism, social liberalism in European vocabulary.  


I think the poll should be changed, including more moderate beliefs, I don't think there are that many fascists, anarchists or Communists on this forum, even though I agree that these are major idelogies. I would like an option to be "liberal conservatism", b/c that's how I usually describe myself. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2004, 07:40:34 pm »
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A social democrat is me. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2004, 08:33:49 pm »
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Gustaf. Liberal conservatism sounds good, but it is paradox!

There must be room for alternatives like fascism, anarchism or communism. I know many these kind of people in Finland. They walk among us!
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2004, 09:27:37 pm »
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Gustaf. Liberal conservatism sounds good, but it is paradox!

There must be room for alternatives like fascism, anarchism or communism. I know many these kind of people in Finland. They walk among us!

What kind of people do you know??? Wink

Liberal conservatism CAN work, but I agree that they will sometimes contradict each other. But on those issues I tend to be unsure or without an opinion, so it still works out! Smiley
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Gustaf. Liberal conservatism sounds good, but it is paradox!

There must be room for alternatives like fascism, anarchism or communism. I know many these kind of people in Finland. They walk among us!

I call myself a Radical democrat. (small d, nothing to do with the party.)
That means increasing Democratic control to any field where it's
at all feasible.
If you think it out to the end, it's essentially non-Marxist socialism, or Anarchism without less optimism and more pragmatism...
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2004, 10:27:52 pm »
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Bah.  Moderate-ism should be a choice!  Or at least classical liberalism.

Libertarianism is classical liberalism.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2004, 05:42:05 am »
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I'm a Christian Socialist.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2004, 07:59:56 am »
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I'm a Christian Socialist.

We know, but what didi you vote for in the poll then? Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2004, 10:09:45 am »
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I never understood what 'Christian Socialism' meant.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2004, 10:27:54 am »
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Gustaf. Liberal conservatism sounds good, but it is paradox!

There must be room for alternatives like fascism, anarchism or communism. I know many these kind of people in Finland. They walk among us!

I call myself a Radical democrat. (small d, nothing to do with the party.)
That means increasing Democratic control to any field where it's
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If you think it out to the end, it's essentially non-Marxist socialism, or Anarchism without less optimism and more pragmatism...

That would not be anarcho-liberalism then, I suppose... Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2004, 10:31:00 am »
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I never understood what 'Christian Socialism' meant.

Socialism based on Christian values, or at least that's what I thought. It would be separate from "urban, PC, progressive, liberalism". More an ideological difference than a symbolic one, I would say. It could of course mean some sort of mixture of social conservatism and economic socialism, but RP hasn't struck me like that kind of guy.

In Sweden "Christian socialist" would mean "Progressive Secular Socialist"! Wink
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2004, 10:38:29 am »
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Al is a left-wing populist.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2004, 11:21:54 am »
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In U.S terms I am/would be classed as a left wing populist.
I think that dealing with problems like poverty is more importent than pointless wedge issues.

For a definition of Christian Socialism try: www.christiansocialist.org.uk

I voted Socialist/Social Democrat on the poll.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2004, 11:30:39 am »
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In U.S terms I am/would be classed as a left wing populist.
I think that dealing with problems like poverty is more importent than pointless wedge issues.

For a definition of Christian Socialism try: www.christiansocialist.org.uk

I voted Socialist/Social Democrat on the poll.

OK, thanks, I think I understand the context of it now.
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