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Huckleberry Finn
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« on: February 06, 2004, 01:01:13 AM »
« edited: May 13, 2004, 05:03:49 PM by Huckleberry Finn »

There is no "other" alternative. Sorry. But I think that there are all (at least major) ideologies of Western Civilization. I haven't voted yet, because I couldn't choose.
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2004, 01:18:01 AM »
« Edited: May 13, 2004, 05:01:55 PM by Huckleberry Finn »

Christian Democracy/Paternalistic Conservatism means here something like social conservative with some (limited) form of welfare state. (universal healthcare, pensions, education, some social security)
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 05:32:06 PM »
« Edited: February 18, 2004, 11:14:45 AM by Huckleberry Finn »

I truly hope that I didn’t mislead anybody with my Christian Democracy/Traditional Conservatism alternative. I thought it as European form of conservatism, which is fairly more moderate on economy issues (Acceptance of governments role as solver of some problems of society) My alternative Conservatism is intended more as traditional American republican conservatism which favours very limited role of government.

Hughento. I can't see that there is big difference between social democracy and socialism. There are both socialist and social democrats parties in European moderate Left. In Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Netherlands these parties are called as social democrats. (I would consider UK Labour Party to this category too) In catholic Southern Europe moderate left parties are called as socialist. General image is that social democrats are little bit more moderate than socialists. However, all these parties are members of Socialistic International and they have common group in European Parliament. All these parties support market economy nowadays. Socialism as meaning of governments ownership of businesses is really dead. Nationalization is communist politics.

htmldon. I think that moderate-ism is too vague term to describe an ideology. There are people who call themselves as moderate leftists, as moderate conservatives, as moderate liberal.... Too fuzzy. I also see classical liberalism and libertarianism almost identifical alternatives.

Gustaf. Yep. My alternative liberalism is American liberalism, social liberalism in European vocabulary.  
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 08:33:49 PM »

Gustaf. Liberal conservatism sounds good, but it is paradox!

There must be room for alternatives like fascism, anarchism or communism. I know many these kind of people in Finland. They walk among us!
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2004, 03:11:11 PM »

After thorough consideration I have defined myself as Christian Democtrat/Paternalistic Conservative. I don't like an idea that politics should be connected with religion, but of these my selfmade alternatives this is best to describe my views. Maybe moderate conservatism would be best choice at least in European scale.

I believe the capitalism and I DON'T believe that economical equality is eventual or just purpose. BUT I also believe that we have some responsibility for those who can't care themselves.

I can't identifield myself as liberal because of my strict   opinions on some social issues. I am also fairly conservative on international politics.
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2004, 12:11:29 PM »

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.
I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2004, 01:44:59 PM »

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.
I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

You got Nokia... Wink
Yes we do.

But high-tech industry is shifting to China, to Estonia etc. I fear that only research and development are staying.
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2004, 02:28:21 PM »

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.
I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

You got Nokia... Wink
Yes we do.

But high-tech industry is shifting to China, to Estonia etc. I fear that only research and development are staying.

Yeah, but western countries still have a lot of advantages. In the longer run it will all even out, as the poorer countries get richer and experience rising living standards their wages will rise to our levels. And they'll also get inflation  from the risig demand as people get more money.
It is clear that in the long run globalization will benefit developing countries and all of us, but there also will be huge problems. Change is unavoidable, but it is also tough.
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2004, 11:44:06 AM »

Socialism/Social Democracy seems to be most common ideology here. I thought that it would be conservatism, because slight majority of forum members are republicans. Obviously there are lot of republicans who haven't voted yet.
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