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« on: September 01, 2007, 07:11:48 PM »

So what kind of party coalitions for the dems/GOP would explan this map?

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2007, 10:58:46 PM »

Populists (D) v. Libertarians (R)? Or just voting on economics? Though Minnesota and DC would probably be Populist, and Utah more libertarian.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2007, 12:36:43 AM »

Populists and Libertarians are part of it but how would the rest of the political spectrum have aligned to fit the electoral map?
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2007, 01:29:17 AM »

A populist non-Mormon Democratic governor of Utah faces off against a Yankee Republican?
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2007, 05:30:05 AM »
« Edited: September 02, 2007, 05:47:16 AM by King Porter Stomp »

Populists (D) v. Libertarians (R)? Or just voting on economics? Though Minnesota and DC would probably be Populist, and Utah more libertarian.
Utah is anything but Libertarian. I'm guessing this GOP has a strong Progressive wing, which would explain why Minnesota looks the way it does.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2007, 06:05:25 AM »

My guess is that this is a GOP where the Moderate, Liberal, and Libertarian Wings never really declined. Either that, or the neo-Cons and Religious Right have both been purged. In other words, my kind of Republican Party.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2007, 05:22:19 PM »

My guess is that this is a GOP where the Moderate, Liberal, and Libertarian Wings never really declined. Either that, or the neo-Cons and Religious Right have both been purged. In other words, my kind of Republican Party.

Actually, neo-Cons wouldn't be at all uncomfortable in the party where Moderate, Liberal, and Libertarian wings never declined, but the Religious Rigth was purged - if anything, they'd be very happy. Nor would they be controversial enough (in an absence of a badly going war) to be purged on their own. And, should be pointed out, they'd actually be helpful in gaining certain segments of coastal itelligentsia, making the proposed map easier to achieve.  Don't foget, neo-Cons frequently come of the Dem backgrounds - there is a reason for that.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2007, 08:02:20 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2007, 08:08:18 PM by King Porter Stomp »

My guess is that this is a GOP where the Moderate, Liberal, and Libertarian Wings never really declined. Either that, or the neo-Cons and Religious Right have both been purged. In other words, my kind of Republican Party.

Actually, neo-Cons wouldn't be at all uncomfortable in the party where Moderate, Liberal, and Libertarian wings never declined, but the Religious Rigth was purged - if anything, they'd be very happy. Nor would they be controversial enough (in an absence of a badly going war) to be purged on their own. And, should be pointed out, they'd actually be helpful in gaining certain segments of coastal itelligentsia, making the proposed map easier to achieve.  Don't foget, neo-Cons frequently come of the Dem backgrounds - there is a reason for that.
If they were purged now, it would probably be in response to Iraq or a similar widespread failure.

When I think of the modern neo-Con agenda I think of basically social conservatism, borrow-and-spend economic policies and a belligerent vaguely Wilsonian foreign policy. Neo-conservatism has really only thrived because it's hatched an uneasy alliance with the Religious Conservatives, who have similar views towards the acceptability of using the federal government (i.e. "big government") to advance conservatism, the role of the US military (and Israel), etc.

Of course, I could see something like old-school Kirkpatrick-style neo-Conservatism emerging in a no-Goldwater GOP. But I was thinking more along the lines of Fred Barnes than her.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2007, 08:59:16 PM »

The Neocons sound pretty damn populistic to me.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2007, 08:42:12 PM »

State's Rights Democrats/Blue Collar Democrats v. Liberal Republicans/Conservative Republicans.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2007, 12:02:03 AM »

The unborn against the undead?
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2007, 12:09:22 AM »

Lowell Weicker / Jim Jeffords  (R) vs. Mark Pryor / Brad Henry (D)
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2007, 11:32:32 AM »

Populists (D) v. Libertarians (R)? Or just voting on economics? Though Minnesota and DC would probably be Populist, and Utah more libertarian.
Utah is anything but Libertarian.

Actually it does have some Libertarian leanings. See here: https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?f=0&fips=49&elect=0&off=60&year=1984
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