Is your position on the following issues authoritarian or libertarian?

[Free Palestine]

Guns - L
Gambling - L
Alcohol sales restrictions - L
Tobacco - L
Smoking in public - L
Tobacco advertising - L
Strip clubs - L
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - A
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - L
Pornography - L
Prostitution - L
Fast food - L
Pop sales in high schools - L
School uniforms - L
Marketing to minors - L
Violence in the media - L
Sex in the media - L
Profanity in the media - L
Suburban development - L

What's that lone A for "eating disorders" supposed to mean? (I didn't really understand what he was asking there with the "fashion industry" questions....)

A lot of models have eating disorders because they're pushed to be super-thin.

[TeePee4Prez]

A-Authoritarian, L-Libertarian

Guns- Strong A
Gambling- Solid L
Alcohol sales restrictions- Solid L
Tobacco- Solid L
Smoking in public- Weak L.  Bars/clubs/parts of restaurants, I'm fine.  Colleges, I'm fine with the 20 feet rules, etc.
Tobacco advertising- Solid L
Strip clubs- Strong L
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders)- Strong A
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality")- Strong L
Pornography- Strong L
Prostitution- Solid L
Fast food- Weak L
Pop sales in high schools- Weak L
School uniforms- Weak L
Marketing to minors- Strong L
Violence in the media- Strong L
Sex in the media- Solid L
Profanity in the media- Strong L
Suburban development- Strong L

[phk]

Guns
Gambling
Alcohol sales restrictions
Tobacco
Smoking in public
Tobacco advertising
Strip clubs
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders)
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality")
Pornography
Prostitution
Fast food
Pop sales in high schools
School uniforms
Marketing to minors
Violence in the media
Sex in the media
Profanity in the media
Suburban development

All of the above - libertarian

[Phony Moderate]

A - Authoritarian, L - Libertarian

Guns - A
Gambling - L
Alcohol sales restrictions - L
Tobacco - A
Smoking in public - A
Tobacco advertising - A
Strip clubs - L
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - A
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - L
Pornography - L
Prostitution - L
Fast food - L
Pop sales in high schools - Mixed
School uniforms - L
Marketing to minors - L
Violence in the media - L
Sex in the media - L
Profanity in the media - L
Suburban development - A

[Mechaman]

A - Authoritarian, L - Libertarian

Guns - L
Gambling - L
Alcohol sales restrictions - L
Tobacco - L
Smoking in public - Mixed
Tobacco advertising - L
Strip clubs - L
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - L
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - L
Pornography - L
Prostitution - L
Fast food - L
Pop sales in high schools - L
School uniforms - L
Marketing to minors - L
Violence in the media - L
Sex in the media - L
Profanity in the media - L
Suburban development - L

[Hash]

Guns: Rather authoritarian
Gambling: Rather libertarian
Alcohol sales restrictions: Centrist
Tobacco: Rather authoritarian
Smoking in public: Strong authoritarian
Tobacco advertising: Strong authoritarian
Strip clubs: Libertarian
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders): Strong authoritarian
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality"): Libertarian
Pornography: Rather libertarian
Prostitution: Rather libertarian
Fast food: libertarian leaning centrist
Pop sales in high schools: libertarian leaning centrist
School uniforms: Very libertarian
Marketing to minors: Rather libertarian
Violence in the media: Libertarian
Sex in the media: Libertarian
Profanity in the media: Libertarian
Suburban development: Libertarian

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

L to all

[Mint]

So you're not a libertarian at all then. Most of this is far more authoritarian than the forum's standard.

I've actually been reluctant to use that label lately, I definitely agree with them on quite a bit but I'm more of a Paleoconservative.

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I was referring to casinos. I don't really care if people play poker or whatever in their houses, that's small scale stuff. Dealing with the gambling addicts, scammers, idiot tourists and congestion around fox woods is bad enough as it is.

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Strawman. A significant number of the people at the brothels over in providence (sorry, 'spas') were/are illegally smuggled here.

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No, but a lot of the urban and run down suburban ones that instituted them are obviously.

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Strip clubs are almost always in areas I would not want to be anywhere near, full of patrons I would never ever want to meet. This has universally been my experience. I don't really care much one way or another how a city votes on them, so long as I don't have to deal with them. Is that really too much to ask?

[Scam of God]

Libertarian on all. Unlike Mint I am not prepared to sacrifice principle for political convenience.

[Mint]

Einzige, read the above before you spout your usual nonsense about me making up positions on an obscure internet forum for some vague agenda. Kthnx.

[Scam of God]

Einzige, read the above before you spout your usual nonsense about me making up positions on an obscure internet forum for some vague agenda. Kthnx.

I have read it. I have read it and found it utterly lacking in any valid concern.

Are some prostitutes trafficked into the country illegally? Of course. Will that change if the penalties for prostitution are made more restrictive, or if the Federal State increases its role in attempting to put an end to prostitution? Most certainly not.

Are casinos traps for gambling addicts? Sure. Should those addicts have the right to harm themselves, on the basis that a victimless crime is victimless before it is a crime? Absolutely. Do the tax revenues generated by casinos for local communities outweigh any negative effects? Indisputable.

So, you see, I cannot but think that your increasing social conservatism is a last-ditch effort to hold on to a rapidly fraying coalition.

[k-onmmunist]

Mint, your social views honestly suck hard. What on earth convinced you pro-life is a good idea?!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

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I was referring to casinos. I don't really care if people play poker or whatever in their houses, that's small scale stuff. Dealing with the gambling addicts, scammers, idiot tourists and congestion around fox woods is bad enough as it is.

Many types of businesses attract idiot tourists and scammers. My hometown is full of small scale casinos, isn't too far from a huge Reservation one, and yet still frequently gets ranked as one of the best places to live in lists that are also geared toward conservative suburb-loving types anyway.

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Strawman. A significant number of the people at the brothels over in providence (sorry, 'spas') were/are illegally smuggled here.

...which was always illegal under RI law. And that fact does not justify making criminals out of the escorts/erotic masseuses who do what they want by choice and don't hurt anyone.

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No, but a lot of the urban and run down suburban ones that instituted them are obviously.

But why should mine have to have them because of that?

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Strip clubs are almost always in areas I would not want to be anywhere near,

Pretty much all the strip clubs in Minneapolis are in a vibrant downtown district, near the sports game. The ghetto areas don't really have them. I know of two outside the area, one in a blue collar neighborhood in the northeast, the other near a more dangerous area but not quite in it.

full of patrons I would never ever want to meet.

1-You don't have to meet them.
2-I've never noticed much of a difference between people in strip clubs and normal bars. It's mostly college/young guys like you see at youth-oriented clubs and the old businessmen types. A handful of obvious gang members, but you can find them at any club.

This has universally been my experience. I don't really care much one way or another how a city votes on them, so long as I don't have to deal with them. Is that really too much to ask?

Yes. I'm sure Einzige would say the same thing about churches. I despite hip hop culture but I'm not complaining about the hip hop oriented clothing store near me. I just don't ever shop there.

[Earth]

Libertarian on all of those examples.

[War on Want]

Guns - L
Gambling - L
Alcohol sales restrictions - L
Tobacco - L
Smoking in public - Mixed
Tobacco advertising - A
Strip clubs - L
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - A
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - L
Pornography - L
Prostitution - Mixed
Fast food - Mixed, lean L
Pop sales in high schools - Mixed, lean A
School uniforms - L
Marketing to minors - Mixed, lean L
Violence in the media - L
Sex in the media - L
Profanity in the media - L
Suburban development - A

[JSojourner]

Guns - The left says I am too libertarian on this issue, the right says I am too authoritarian

Gambling - libertarian

Alcohol sales restrictions - authoritarian, to the extent that I oppose the sale of alcohol to people under 18. libertarian, in that I think blue laws and no Sunday sales are dumb.

Tobacco - authoritarian

Smoking in public - authoritarian

Tobacco advertising - authoritarian

Strip clubs - libertarian, in that I believe they should be allowed to operate but authoritarian, in that I favor age restrictions and would be particularly keen on health inspections.  I also support the right of local governments to limit where such establishments may locate.

Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - libertarian

Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - libertarian

Pornography - libertarian (but authoritarian where child porn is concerned)

Prostitution - libertarian, in that I would like to see it legalized.  Authoritarian, in that I would want it taxed and heavily regulated...particularly with a view toward public health.

Fast food - libertarian

Pop sales in high schools - authoritarian

School uniforms - authoritarian, in that I would leave it up to school boards and parents.

Marketing to minors - libertarian

Violence in the media - libertarian, with the exception of snuff.

Sex in the media - libertarian

Profanity in the media - libertarian

Suburban development - probably slightly authoritarian, given my concerns for green space and environmental conservation.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Guns - I favor gun control, so I guess authoritarian? That is, if libertarian is guns for all.

Gambling - libertarian

Alcohol sales restrictions - libertarian. Kids are going to drink, but I think its wrong to tell to people under 18. I disagree with the no sales on Sunday though.

Tobacco - again, kids will smoke regardless, but I agree with not selling to those under 18.

Smoking in public - authoritarian. I general agree with smoking bans. I think it's made public places more tolerable.

Tobacco advertising - libertarian

Strip clubs - libertarian, although health inspections and age restrictions need to still be implemented.

Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - libertarian.

Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - libertarian

Pornography - libertarian (but child porn is another story).

Prostitution - libertarian, but we need regulations on health.

Fast food - libertarian? If you eat it, you need to deal with the consequences.

Pop sales in high schools - libertarian. It's ridiculous to ban soft drinks from schools.

School uniforms - libertarian.

Marketing to minors - libertarian.

Violence in the media - libertarian.

Sex in the media - libertarian

Profanity in the media - libertarian

Suburban development - authoritarian because of environmental policies. After spending time in Raleigh/Durham Triangle area, I can see how terrible urban/suburban sprawl can be. It's awful.

[tpfkaw]

Guns
Gambling
Alcohol sales restrictions
Tobacco
Smoking in public
Tobacco advertising
Strip clubs
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders)
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality")
Pornography
Prostitution
Fast food
Pop sales in high schools
School uniforms
Marketing to minors
Violence in the media
Sex in the media
Profanity in the media
Suburban development

Old bump:

Libertarian to all

[fezzyfestoon]

Speaking VERY simply, of course...

Guns - Authoritarian
Gambling - Libertarian
Alcohol sales restrictions - Libertarian
Tobacco - Libertarian
Smoking in public - Libertarian
Tobacco advertising - Authoritarian
Strip clubs - Neither
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - None
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - None
Pornography - Libertarian
Prostitution - Libertarian
Fast food - Libertarian
Pop sales in high schools - Authoritarian
School uniforms - Libertarian
Marketing to minors - Neither
Violence in the media - Authoritarian
Sex in the media - Libertarian
Profanity in the media - Libertarian
Suburban development - Extremely authoritarian

[TomC]

Guns- L, gun rights only taken after due process for a violnet felony
Gambling- L, for private business, govt should stay out of it (no govt lotteries)
Alcohol sales restrictions- L for adults
Tobacco- L
Smoking in public- L
Tobacco advertising- L
Strip clubs- L
Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders)- L
Fashion industry (in relation to "morality")- L
Pornography- L
Prostitution- L
Fast food- L
Pop sales in high schools- A
School uniforms- L
Marketing to minors- middle
Violence in the media- L
Sex in the media- L
Profanity in the media- L
Suburban development- A probably

[Goldwater]

Libertarian on all of those examples.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Guns - Authoritarian. You could also call me ambivalent on this issue, frankly.

Gambling - Libertarian.

Alcohol sales restrictions - Libertarian, though really, what is the harm in state-owned liquor stores?

Tobacco - What does this even mean? I don't understand what "authoritarian" in regard to tobacco even means. Is it good? No. Do I want it regulated? Well, obviously, since it is a harmful product to people beyond just those using it. Authoritarian, I guess.

Smoking in public - Authoritarian/Intelligent. Second hand smoke is proven harmful to every person in your vicinity. Obviously it should be restricted where possible. Putting L above A on this just seemed completely irresponsible to me and clearly putting ideology above safety from proven harm. When people start hurting others, that's where the libertarian line should stop, no questions asked.

Tobacco advertising - Authoritarian, though I would be heavily critical of any dishonest advertising, as tobacco advertising is sure to be.

Strip clubs - Libertarian.

Fashion industry (in relation to eating disorders) - Libertarian, though the entire fashion industry is a complete waste of time and makes people feel bad about themselves.

Fashion industry (in relation to "morality") - Libertarian, but again, as above, the fashion industry is a waste of time and money.

Pornography - Libertarian.

Prostitution - Libertarian.

Fast food - Mostly libertarian. I think advertising to kids with toys and the like is pretty sleazy and could justify some restrictions.

Pop sales in high schools - Libertarian.

School uniforms - Ambivalent. Would lean libertarian.

Marketing to minors - Marketing of what? These are poorly explained.

Violence in the media - Libertarian.

Sex in the media - Libertarian. I would be more concerned about violence than sex, frankly.

Profanity in the media - Libertarian.

Suburban development - Authoritarian. (I guess? Again, it's not really made clear what the authoritarian/libertarian decisions mean.)

[fezzyfestoon]

Smoking in public - Authoritarian/Intelligent. Second hand smoke is proven harmful to every person in your vicinity. Obviously it should be restricted where possible. Putting L above A on this just seemed completely irresponsible to me and clearly putting ideology above safety from proven harm. When people start hurting others, that's where the libertarian line should stop, no questions asked.

Walking past someone smoking in a park every once in a while doesn't mean you will catch the cancer.

[Franzl]

The harm in state-owned liquor stores is that they are utterly pointless. Why not run state operated cigarette outlets and fast food joints while we're at it? They're unhealthy and potentially dangerous too.

I don't see any reason to unnecessarily limit consumer choice and freedom by granting the state a monopoly on what alcoholic beverages may be sold at what prices.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Smoking in public - Authoritarian/Intelligent. Second hand smoke is proven harmful to every person in your vicinity. Obviously it should be restricted where possible. Putting L above A on this just seemed completely irresponsible to me and clearly putting ideology above safety from proven harm. When people start hurting others, that's where the libertarian line should stop, no questions asked.

Walking past someone smoking in a park every once in a while doesn't mean you will catch the cancer.

Slightly different issue when it's smoking in a diner, store, or any other enclosed space. I have had numerous arguments on this topic around Atlas and I think you pretty strongly misunderstand the amount of smoke it takes to have even just a short term effect on your health.