Alternative 1984: Howard Baker/Jack Kemp vs. Lloyd Bentsen/Joe Biden
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« on: March 29, 2007, 08:14:11 PM »
« edited: March 29, 2007, 08:16:35 PM by Rockefeller Republican »

Here's an electoral match-up from my Timeline in planning. But, for now let's assume that President Reagan declines to run and likewise with Vice President George H.W. Bush. Senate Majority Leader, Howard Baker of Tennessee wins the 1984 GOP nomination. Senator Baker selects New York Congressman Jack Kemp as his running mate. On the Democratic side, Senator Lloyd Bentsen of Texas wins the nomination. Bentsen selects Senator Joe Biden of Delaware as his running mate. The 1984 Presidential Tickets are:

Howard Baker/Jack Kemp (R)
Lloyd Bentsen/Joe Biden (D)

Please produce some maps.

Note: On the poll the Democratic ticket should be Bentsen/Biden
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 08:52:19 PM »

And...why would Reagan not run after being elected?
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 08:50:06 PM »
« Edited: April 06, 2007, 09:06:38 PM by Winfield »

A much closer contest in this scenario.

Bentsen is well respected and comes across as much more capable executive material than does Dukakis.  Being from Texas, and highy thought of, Bentsen is able to pull off some victories in the south, and to win more traditional Democraic states.

Election night proves to be a nail biter for both sides.

 New York, with their major prize of 36 electoral votes, wavers back and forth all evening between Baker and Bentsen, with Kemp  given the credit for the Republican's strong showing in that state.  Party loyalty, however, out does a favorite son on the Republican ticket, and New York is called for Bentsen at 2:48 A.M. by a marjin of just 52,000, out of almost 7,000,000 votes cast, with 100% of precints reporting.   

In California, President Reagan makes some campaign swings with Baker in the state, and Baker wins the biggest electoral state prize of all, by a margin of 300,000, out of over 9,000,000 votes cast.

Most of the northeast stays loyal to their Democratic traditions, the south and midwest are split, and the western Republican bastion remains solidly in GOP hands.   

After having come off four years of a very popular administration, and with a very popular Republican President leaving office, Baker campaigns on the platform of continuing the work begun by Reagan.  Baker is likeable and well thought of by supporters of both parties.

The election of Howard Henry Baker Jr. as the fourty first President of the United States is called by the networks at 4:27 A.M. 

In the end, America opts to stay with the Republican administratiion to continue the work begun by Reagan.

Baker wins.

Instead of Republican 525, Democrat 13, results are

Baker/Kemp                 276
Bentsen/Biden             262 



 

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 01:10:32 PM »


Bentsen wins 273-265.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 03:31:31 PM »

Baker and Kemp would win in a fairly close race. The country was still pretty conservative in 1984. This is providing that Reagan enthusiastically supported the ticket.

There are many reasons why Reagan might not have run. Failing health, the onset of Alzheimer's, lingering effects from the assassination attempt. Nancy didn't want him to run again. If she had been more insistent about it, he might not have. It's hard to imagine why Bush wouldn't run, though, and how he would fail to get the nomination if he did.

The two tickets wouldn't offer much to liberals. I wonder if they would mount a third-party effort, perhaps with Jesse Jackson on the ticket?

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2007, 03:57:24 PM »

Baker and Kemp would win in a fairly close race. The country was still pretty conservative in 1984. This is providing that Reagan enthusiastically supported the ticket.

There are many reasons why Reagan might not have run. Failing health, the onset of Alzheimer's, lingering effects from the assassination attempt. Nancy didn't want him to run again. If she had been more insistent about it, he might not have. It's hard to imagine why Bush wouldn't run, though, and how he would fail to get the nomination if he did.

The two tickets wouldn't offer much to liberals. I wonder if they would mount a third-party effort, perhaps with Jesse Jackson on the ticket?


Biden offers something to the liberals.  He is one of the most liberal Democrats.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2007, 07:45:58 PM »

In the event that Reagan did decide not to run for re-election in 1984,  I think that Bush/Baker would be more likely to be the GOP ticket rather than Baker/Kemp and would have defeated any team the Democrats would have run
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2007, 08:02:29 PM »

In the event that Reagan did decide not to run for re-election in 1984,  I think that Bush/Baker would be more likely to be the GOP ticket rather than Baker/Kemp and would have defeated any team the Democrats would have run

That probably would have been the case. However, for the sake of the scenario, let's assume Vice President Bush decides not to seek the Republican Nomination for person reasons. I wonder if the ticket of Baker/Kemp would be re-elected in 1988?
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2007, 10:51:45 AM »

Baker and Kemp would win in a fairly close race. The country was still pretty conservative in 1984. This is providing that Reagan enthusiastically supported the ticket.

There are many reasons why Reagan might not have run. Failing health, the onset of Alzheimer's, lingering effects from the assassination attempt. Nancy didn't want him to run again. If she had been more insistent about it, he might not have. It's hard to imagine why Bush wouldn't run, though, and how he would fail to get the nomination if he did.

The two tickets wouldn't offer much to liberals. I wonder if they would mount a third-party effort, perhaps with Jesse Jackson on the ticket?


Biden offers something to the liberals.  He is one of the most liberal Democrats.

I always thought of Biden as a moderate. His foreign-policy views certainly aren't the most liberal among the Democrats.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2007, 10:53:52 AM »

In the event that Reagan did decide not to run for re-election in 1984,  I think that Bush/Baker would be more likely to be the GOP ticket rather than Baker/Kemp and would have defeated any team the Democrats would have run

That probably would have been the case. However, for the sake of the scenario, let's assume Vice President Bush decides not to seek the Republican Nomination for person reasons. I wonder if the ticket of Baker/Kemp would be re-elected in 1988?

It would have to do with how successful or popular they proved to be in office, and who the Dems put up against them. They might have been judged, at least at the time, as having a fairly successful first term, especially on the foreign-policy front, since all the positive developments that occurred in eastern Europe from 1984-1988 would have happened anyway (despite what the Reagan idolaters claim).
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