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« Reply #575 on: September 13, 2008, 06:48:20 am »
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Probably the greatest timeline in Atlasian history.  Please tell me you'll be writing another soon.  Btw, I have questions on a few things:

Whats happened to Bill Richardson, Hillary Rodham, and the rest of the people who ran in 2008 in RL who were'nt really mentioned in the 2008 update?

Also who were the Keynote Convention speakers in 2008 in this Timeline?
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« Reply #576 on: September 13, 2008, 10:00:01 am »
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« Reply #577 on: September 14, 2008, 04:23:59 am »
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Presidents of the United States

29th: James Cox (Democratic - Ohio) 1921-1925
30th: Herbert Hoover (Republican - California) 1925-1933
31st: Cordell Hull (Democratic - Tennessee) 1933-1941
32nd: Douglas MacArthur (Republican - Wisconsin) 1941-1949
33rd: Ernest McFarland (Democratic - Arizona) 1949-1953
34th: Thomas Dewey (Republican - New York) 1953-1957
35th: Joseph P. Kennedy Junior (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1957-1965
36th: Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1965-1973
37th: John Ashbrook (Democratic - Ohio) 1973-1977
38th: George Bush (Republican - Connecticut) 1977-1981
39th: Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1981-1983
40th: Jack Kemp (Democratic - New York) 1983-1993
41st: Reginald Jackson (Republican - Pennsylvania) 1993-2001
42nd: James Webb (Democratic - Virginia) 2001-2009
43rd: Kay Bailey Hutchison (Democratic - Texas) 2009-??

Vice Presidents of the United States

29th: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic - New York) 1921-1922
30th: Robert La Follette (Republican - Wisconsin) 1925
31st: Charles Dawes (Republican - Illinois) 1929-1933
32nd: James Curley (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1933-1941
33rd: H. Styles Bridges (Republican - New Hampshire) 1941-1949
34th: Henry Schricker (Democratic - Indiana) 1949-1953
35th: Edward Arn (Republican - Kansas) 1953-1957
36th: Stuart Symington (Democratic - Missouri) 1957-1963
37th: Margaret Chase Smith (Republican - Maine) 1965-1973
38th: James E. Carter (Democratic - Georgia) 1973-1977
39th: John Love (Republican - Colorado) 1977-1981
40th: Jack Kemp (Democratic - New York) 1981-1983
41st: John McCain (Democratic - Arizona) 1985-1993
42nd: William J. Clinton (Republican - California) 1993-1997
43rd: Paul Wellstone (Republican - Minnesota) 1997-2001
44th:  Kay Bailey Hutchison (Democratic - Texas) 2001-2009
45th: Tommy Thompson (Democratic - Wisconsin) 2009-??
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« Reply #578 on: September 14, 2008, 01:17:29 pm »
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Everyone,

Thank you for not just the kind comments you have posted, but for reading my timeline and encouraging me to keep it going. Also, thank you Rockefeller Republican for chronicling the presidents and vice-presidents. Smiley

I am taking a smal break from timline writing due to a heavy work load as I begin to wrap up college and begin my teaching career. However, I have some ideas for a new timeline and will begin writing them down as soon as I have time.

Now to answer Happy Warrior's questions:

1. Here is what happened to some people by 2009:

Hillary Rodham: Rodham was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Webb in 2005. She serves as a conservative justice for the rest of her life.

Chris Dodd: Following his defeat for reelection in 1992, Senator Dodd switiched to the Republican Party and served as Mayor of East Haddam, Connecticut from 1998-2006.

Bill Richardson: Richardson served in Congress as a Republican from 1983-1995. In 1995 he was appointed Secretary of the Interior by President Reginald Jackson. In 2003, Richardson became the Governor of New Mexico and supported Mark Warner for the Replican Nomination.

Joseph Lieberman: Lieberman served as Connecticutt Attoryney General from 1983-1995. As a Republican he could not defeat the incumbent GOP senators or governor, so he was elected to Congress in 1996, serving there today.

Mike Gravel: Following two unsuccessful bids for the Oval Office in 2000, Gravel retired to Virginia to work on creating a lasting and powerful third party option, which would never come.

Mike Huckabee: Elected as a populist Democrat to the Arkasnas Governorship in 1998, Huckabee supported Governor Barbour in 2008, but switched his support to Vice-President Hutchinson follwoing the demise of the Barbour campaign. Janet Huckabee, his wife, is appointed Undersecretary of Education.

Fred Thompson: The Southern Fried politican, Thompson serves one term as a U.S. Senator from 1997-2003, being defeated by Congressman Jim Bryant in the 2002 Democratic Primary. Following this defeat, Thompson begins a radio program "Plain Tale with Fred" and ends up in the insurance business.

Wesley Clark: A close friend of President Webb, he contiunes to serve as Secretary of Defense under President Hutchinson until he retires in 2011. He is replaced by his own friend, General David Patreas.

Barack Obama: Senator Obama serves as the new face of progressive America following the defeat of Senator Feingold. After giving the keynote address at the 2008 Republican Convemntion, he is seen as the front runner for the 2012 GOP nomination. 
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« Reply #579 on: September 14, 2008, 02:04:37 pm »
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What happened with Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln?
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« Reply #580 on: September 14, 2008, 04:56:39 pm »
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Also, thank you Rockefeller Republican for chronicling the presidents and vice-presidents. Smiley

Glad to do it Paul. Its the sort of thing I post when I'm quite bored on a Saturday or Sunday night Wink.

One final question Paul, as of 2008 have noted presidential historians released a list of the Greatest American Presidents of all time? I wouldn't be surprised if 30th President of the United States Herbert Clark Hoover is high amongst that list.

Good and Good Luck with your upcoming teaching career. I'm sure you'll make an excellent teacher Grin
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« Reply #581 on: September 16, 2008, 12:47:45 am »
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Good and Good Luck with your upcoming teaching career. I'm sure you'll make an excellent teacher Grin

Yes, Good and Good Luck indeed. Where will you teach?
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« Reply #582 on: September 16, 2008, 02:13:01 am »
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Event Date: 9-03-2007
Event Description: Australian Prime Minister Mark Latham barely holds onto leadership of his party at the 2007 Labor Party National Convention.

Hate to nitpick but leadership disputes in Australian politics are not sort at National Conventions like in the United States and in Canada but rather their respective caucus rooms at Parliament House in Canberra. For example today's Liberal Party leadership change which saw Malcolm Turnbull become Opposition Leader was held in the Liberal Party's current caucus rooms at Parliament House.
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« Reply #583 on: September 16, 2008, 11:22:12 pm »
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Event Date: 9-03-2007
Event Description: Australian Prime Minister Mark Latham barely holds onto leadership of his party at the 2007 Labor Party National Convention.

Hate to nitpick but leadership disputes in Australian politics are not sort at National Conventions like in the United States and in Canada but rather their respective caucus rooms at Parliament House in Canberra. For example today's Liberal Party leadership change which saw Malcolm Turnbull become Opposition Leader was held in the Liberal Party's current caucus rooms at Parliament House.

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« Reply #584 on: September 17, 2008, 12:31:15 pm »
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If I was to place the presidents from 1921 to 2009 in rankings, I would sort them like this:

Great Presidents:
Herbert Hoover and Joseph P. Kennedy, Junior

Near-Great Presidents:
Cordell Hull, Richard Nixon. Jack Kemp, Jim Webb

Average Presidents:

Douglas MacArthur, Thomas Dewey, John Ashbrook, Reginald Jackson

Below-Average Presidents:

James Cox, Ernest McFarland, George Bush

Failure as President:

Robert F. Kennedy

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I will be student teaching at a neighborhood junior high. My subject will be American Studies.
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« Reply #585 on: September 17, 2008, 05:11:49 pm »
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I'm sure you'll be a great teacher Smiley  And, in case this got lost:
What happened with Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln?
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« Reply #586 on: September 17, 2008, 08:31:58 pm »
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Well, report back to us! Smiley
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Ben,

The political history of Arkansas is one of Democratic rule since the 1880s, but in the 1970s there began a battle between the populists in the Arkansas Democratic Party and the Ashbrook conservatives.

Mark Pryor: The Pryor family was long the standard bearers for the populist Democrats of Arkansas. David Pryor, Mark's father, served as Governor of Arkansas and a Senator from 1975-1979. From 1979 to 1991, David Pryor serves as a U.S. Senator. In 1990, Senator Pryor was defeated in a dirty primary campaign by Congressman Asa Hutchinson. Mark Pryor, who was elected to Congress in 1994, decides not to challenge Senator Hutchinson in 1996, but in 2002 Pryor defeats Hutchinson by a 56-44% margin in the Democratic Primary. In 2008, Senator Pryor supported Vice-President Hutchinson for President.

Blanche Lincoln: Blanche Lincoln is a member of the fiscal conservative Democrats, those in the Ashbrooke and Kemp mold. In 1992, she was elected to the House of Representatives and became the House Minority Whip in 1995. In 1998, she became one of ten Democrats seeking to replace retiring Democratic Senator Dale Bumpers. Her strongest opponent in the primary was Congressman Ray Thornton, a populist Democrat. Lincoln was defeated by a 46-45% margin by Thornton in the 1998 Democratic Primary. In 2000, Lincoln served as the Southern Chair of the Hillary Rodham for President Campaign. In 2002, Lincoln was elected to her old seat in Congress, and decided not to seek the Senate in 2004 or the governorship in 2006.     
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« Reply #588 on: September 18, 2008, 09:59:31 pm »
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Are any of the RL presidents viewed differently in this TL?
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« Reply #589 on: September 19, 2008, 11:29:45 pm »
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How did things end with Lyndon Johnson?
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« Reply #590 on: September 21, 2008, 02:44:38 pm »
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HappyWarrior,

The country is more conservative in this TL then in RL. That reflects how many presidents are viewed, especially those who served from 1789-1921. Men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Grover Cleveland and William McKinley are seen very favorably by historians and the general public of history fans. Woodrow Wilson is generally considered a poor president due to the fact that he, and President Cox, both led disastrous foreign policies.

Ben,

Senator Lyndon Johnson served as a Congressman from 1935 to 1949, as in real life. As a conservative, pro-oil business Democrat in the Lone Star State, Johnson was able to easily manipulate the political workings of his state to become a Senator in 1949, defeating former Governor Coke Stevens by a comfortable margin (thus no "Landslide Lyndon" jokes). After the 1954 Midterm Elections, Senator Johnson became the Majority Leader, running a failed bid for president in 1956 but then becoming the closest ally of President Joseph Kennedy, Junior, in the Senate. In 1964 and 1968, LBJ turned down talk of drafting him into the Democratic Presidential nomination. In 1968, his friend Governor John Connally was the Democratic candidate for President, with Johnson tying much political capital to the Connally Campaign. Following the disastrous 1968 election, Senator Johnson was striped of his role as Democratic leader in the Senate and in 1972 he was defeated in the Democratic Senate Primary by Congressman Lloyd Bentsen, who defeated Republican John Tower, who was running his third campaign for U.S. Senate.

Senator Johnson lived until 1981, when he died of a massive heart attack at his ranch outside of Stonewall, Texas. From 1973 to 1981 Johnson co-owned a small oil company, his wife Claudia "Lady Bird" Johnson was the owner of an Austin radio station and LBJ became a political mentor for future Texas political giants like Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Ron Kirk and John Cornyn. "Life in the Arena", Johnson's best selling memoir, is still read by aspiring Texas politicans to this day. 
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« Reply #591 on: November 29, 2008, 03:20:30 pm »
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I know that this Timeline has been over for a while but I want to know who the Senators in the present day would be in this TL.  I know thats a big load but I've been really wondering alot.
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« Reply #592 on: November 30, 2008, 04:09:47 pm »
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I know that this Timeline has been over for a while but I want to know who the Senators in the present day would be in this TL.  I know thats a big load but I've been really wondering alot.

Happy,

I will try to work on such a list over my Christmas Break.

Also, thanks for bumping my timeline. Smiley
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« Reply #593 on: November 30, 2008, 10:06:49 pm »
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I just wish you were writing more, you are by far this sites best TL writing.
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Could you please inform me on the fortunes of Estes Kefauver in this timeline?
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Could you please inform me on the fortunes of Estes Kefauver in this timeline?

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In 1952, Senator Estes Kefauver wins the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. His running-mate is Senator J. William Fulbright. Kefauver runs an energetic campaign, but is dogged by the unpopularity of lack luster Democratic President Ernest McFarland. In the end, the American people opt to buck the donkey and elect Republican Senator Thomas Dewey of New York the next President of the United States.

Following his defeat in 1952, Senator Kefauver becomes an ally of President Dewey, supporting many of his New Day social policies. He also leads an investagation into organized crime in 1954. In the 1956 Democratic Primaries, Kefauver fails to make any headway following a disasterous defeat in the New Hampshire Primary. In the end, he will reluctantly support Governor Joseph P. Kennedy, Junior, for President. In 1962, following years if service to his country, Senator kefuaver would die in office. Former President Dewey would perform the eulogy at his funeral, remembering, "The Senator who made the Volunteer State proud that he volunteered to serve."
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Could you please inform me on the fortunes of Estes Kefauver in this timeline?

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In 1952, Senator Estes Kefauver wins the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. His running-mate is Senator J. William Fulbright. Kefauver runs an energetic campaign, but is dogged by the unpopularity of lack luster Democratic President Ernest McFarland. In the end, the American people opt to buck the donkey and elect Republican Senator Thomas Dewey of New York the next President of the United States.

Following his defeat in 1952, Senator Kefauver becomes an ally of President Dewey, supporting many of his New Day social policies. He also leads an investagation into organized crime in 1954. In the 1956 Democratic Primaries, Kefauver fails to make any headway following a disasterous defeat in the New Hampshire Primary. In the end, he will reluctantly support Governor Joseph P. Kennedy, Junior, for President. In 1962, following years if service to his country, Senator kefuaver would die in office. Former President Dewey would perform the eulogy at his funeral, remembering, "The Senator who made the Volunteer State proud that he volunteered to serve."

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« Reply #597 on: January 27, 2009, 10:00:17 pm »
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PBrunsel, I just finished reading your timeline, and this is the god of all TLs, and perhaps the best timeline ever written on this site. Thank you for writing this. If only Cox had defeated Harding......
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« Reply #598 on: January 27, 2009, 10:05:12 pm »
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PBrunsel, I just finished reading your timeline, and this is the god of all TLs, and perhaps the best timeline ever written on this site. Thank you for writing this. If only Cox had defeated Harding......

Indeed; in my timelines, I look to this one for guidance, as should you.
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« Reply #599 on: January 27, 2009, 10:06:48 pm »
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PBrunsel, I just finished reading your timeline, and this is the god of all TLs, and perhaps the best timeline ever written on this site. Thank you for writing this. If only Cox had defeated Harding......

Indeed; in my timelines, I look to this one for guidance, as should you.

Strange, I look to your TR wins in 1912, as I find that an excellent example of a great timeline.
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