Adult Stem Cell Research Enhancement [Bill] [Failed]

[Filuwaúrdjan]

aye

[Јas]

Tally on Ebowed's Amendment
Aye: 4 (Sam; Ebowed; Lewis; Al)
Nay: 3 (Earl; Verily; Moderate)
Yet to Vote: 3 (afleitch; Brandon; Rob)

[minionofmidas]

See? This is where we really need a gm. I'm wondering how much of that 50 million is already spent - I'd like to basically repeal that embryonic stem cell research act, but (obviously) not actually asking for money back, just for an end to spending.

[Sam Spade]

bump for those who have not voted.

[Ebowed]

See? This is where we really need a gm. I'm wondering how much of that 50 million is already spent - I'd like to basically repeal that embryonic stem cell research act, but (obviously) not actually asking for money back, just for an end to spending.

It would be spent over the fiscal year.

[minionofmidas]

Okay, so since the law just states 50 million, not 50 million a year, there's no need to do anything about it. Very well.

[afleitch]

Nay

[Јas]

Updated Tally on Ebowed's Amendment
Aye: 4 (Sam; Ebowed; Lewis; Al)
Nay: 4 (Earl; Verily; Moderate; afleitch)
Yet to Vote: 2 (Brandon; Rob)

[Ebowed]

Motion to add a new section which states "This funding will only take effect upon certification by the Senate that the federal budget is balanced."

[Verily]

I will motion for cloture after Sen. Ebowed's frivolous amendment. It is clear that there is no longer serious debate occurring here.

[Ebowed]

It is clear that there is no longer serious debate occurring here.

It's not a serious bill, so why do we need serious debate?

Adult stem cell research is backed and funded by all sorts of pro-life groups.  There are no ethical restrictions on the research, either.

The government has absolutely no need to be funding it.

[Verily]

It is clear that there is no longer serious debate occurring here.

It's not a serious bill, so why do we need serious debate?

Adult stem cell research is backed and funded by all sorts of pro-life groups.  There are no ethical restrictions on the research, either.

The government has absolutely no need to be funding it.

I did not say whether I was for or against the final passage of this bill. Delaying final consideration is only clogging up the Senate's ability to work through a long backlog of legislation.

[Brandon H]

Nay

[Ebowed]

Nay

I thought you were supposed to be against government spending?

[Sam Spade]

Frankly, I don't see any reason for any funding for this adult or embryonic stem cell research, since the private sector is funding and researching it quite strongly.  Ebowed's hypocrisy on this matter, however, is quite amusing.

As PPT, I'm allowing Ebowed's amendment, but I'm also making a motion for cloture after this vote is concluded.

[Ebowed]

Ebowed's hypocrisy on this matter, however, is quite amusing.

It's not hypocrisy.  I simply support funding one and not the other.

[Ebowed]

If cloture fails, I motion for another amendment to add to the end of 'Actions' "effective FY 2008."

Unless we want to spend $50 million on this shit every year.

[Sam Spade]

Ebowed's hypocrisy on this matter, however, is quite amusing.

It's not hypocrisy.  I simply support funding one and not the other.

Why?

[Sam Spade]

Oh, and also, the way the amendment is worded, this would be one lump sum of $50 million in one fiscal year's budget, not a continued appropriation for every year.

But without a budget, that wouldn't really matter, would it.

[Ebowed]

Ebowed's hypocrisy on this matter, however, is quite amusing.

It's not hypocrisy.  I simply support funding one and not the other.

Why?

Adult stem cell research got a head start when restrictions were placed on embryonic stem cell research.  As a result, ASCR has been adequately funded for a longer amount of time, especially by pro-life groups who want to prove that ESCR is unnecessary.  A one-time drop in the bucket to get research on ESCR started was thus beneficial in making up for the period of time where it was undergoing the regulations.

Oh, and also, the way the amendment is worded, this would be one lump sum of $50 million in one fiscal year's budget, not a continued appropriation for every year.

I shall withdraw the amendment.

[Ebowed]

But without a budget, that wouldn't really matter, would it.

As long as we have the budget, I would certainly use it as a resource to question the wisdom of this legislation.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

It is clear that there is no longer serious debate occurring here.

It's not a serious bill, so why do we need serious debate?

Adult stem cell research is backed and funded by all sorts of pro-life groups.  There are no ethical restrictions on the research, either.

The government has absolutely no need to be funding it.

Well, on that same token, embryonic stem cell research is already extensively backed and funded by a number of states.  And, uh, by us.

[Sam Spade]

Voting closes on the amendment in a day.

[Јas]

Re-Updated Tally on Ebowed's Amendment
Aye: 4 (Sam; Ebowed; Lewis; Al)
Nay: 5 (Earl; Verily; Moderate; afleitch; Brandon)
Yet to Vote: 1 (Rob)

[Rob]

Aye.