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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2007, 06:27:40 PM »

I found that Abortion survey quite interesting btw. But that doesn't mean I think attitudes are changing; I still suspect that this is yet another example of the infamous Irish tendency towards groupthink.

Plus like always if we actually had a referendum on it we still wouldn't get it past, history shows that people tend to swing towards the conservative option during an actual campaign. (It happened in Divorce 1986, Divorce 1995, Abortion 1983, etc)
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2007, 06:29:49 PM »

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Well the far left is so fragmented over here that it's often hard to tell. The major *sn* far left group seem either obssesed with the cult of Che Guevara and good-ole America bashing (the SWP) while the other is an organization almost entirely dependent the figure of one man (The Socialist Party). Of course neither group is particularly Republican but there is still a significant republican element among far left group. And I'd say the majority of Ideological republicans have left wing sympathies.

As for Fianna fail, pardon my cynicism while I state that the only thing I think holding FF together a bunch of politicians protecting their careers. FF being the party of whatever happens to be in Fashion ATM, I doubt a united Ireland is much more than aspirational aim among FFers and that would be true nowadays of FGers too except for perhaps the most commited Anglos in the party.

I would think a referendum on unification would be close once it became apparent how much it would cost and the fact that we would have put up with Unionists for the unforseeable future.

Well when I mentioned FF, I meant the membership at large or maybe core FF voters, not the parliamentary party in particular.

And my broad point was that given the broad numbers of people here who would support unification (however soft that support may be) it's unfair to label someone as hating Ireland when they fall in line with a likely majority of Irish citizens on the issue.
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2007, 06:33:16 PM »

I found that Abortion survey quite interesting btw. But that doesn't mean I think attitudes are changing; I still suspect that this is yet another example of the infamous Irish tendency towards groupthink.

Plus like always if we actually had a referendum on it we still wouldn't get it past, history shows that people tend to swing towards the conservative option during an actual campaign. (It happened in Divorce 1986, Divorce 1995, Abortion 1983, etc)

Ah, yes, I'd agree it wouldn't pass in a referendum...yet. But I think that the result would be much closer.

Plus, by the by, the Constitution does allow for abortion in limited circumstances as is - what stands in the way at the moment is the lack of legislative footing (which won't change for the foreseeable future) and the Medical Council.
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2007, 06:33:56 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2007, 06:36:41 PM by Gully Foyle »

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Ahh.. Tongue in Cheek? (Anyway alot of people I'm sure think I hate Ireland; which actually is something I'm making my mind up over. Wink )

Your perhaps right about the small party membership; though I don't know about actual mainstream voters - around here having a United Ireland is about as big an issue as whether or not we should have Orange colored bins to go with the black and green ones. But then again I do live in Dublin South. So perhaps it's not representative.
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2007, 06:42:08 PM »

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Ahh.. Tongue in Cheek?

Yes, but still...

(Anyway alot of people I'm sure think I hate Ireland; which actually is something I'm making my mind up over. Wink )

Well, I don't think that - but I can see the whole Kevin Myers thing Wink

Your perhaps right about the small party membership; though I don't know about actual mainstream voters - around here having a United Ireland is about as big an issue as whether or not we should have Orange colored bins to go with the black and green ones. But then again I do live in Dublin South. So perhaps it's not representative.

Genuine LOL at perhaps Dublin South not being representative Grin
You're right thtat it's far from a burning issue - and that's true just about everywhere, but it's certainly a core FF issue and one with which most Irish people (rightly or wrongly) would probably agree on. It's almost a default position.
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2007, 06:51:27 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2007, 07:12:56 PM by Gully Foyle »

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Nah most of Dublin South isn't much different from your average lower\middle-middle class outer suburb regions. Except it has Dundrum in it, which for our foreigners here, is a small suburban town which contains a shopping centre the size of a castle where mindless female zombies women of a certain caliber tend to go shopping and whenever you enter your will to live decreases dramatically. And the University College Dublin campus on it; which is known (and mostly true from my experience) to attract a certain type of rich airhead. Most of the really posh areas are in the constituencies of Dun Laoghaire and Dublin South East. Though then again I live only down the road from Foxrock (uber-Posh area) to one side of me and on the other side there is plently of executive housing apart in a more semi-rural areas (I of course live a housing estate like most Dublin Southians.)
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2007, 10:57:18 PM »

Generally negative, although I like how much drinking goes on there.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2007, 11:24:20 PM »

I long for it in much the same way an Orthodox Jew longs for the Promised Land.
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« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2007, 04:07:31 AM »

Alas, every Irish I have met over here is very prone to breaking into song.  Enough said!

I have a friend who is going over to Thailand in the summer btw; if you ever meet him I doubt he'll break into song. But you won't meet him, what you do isn't his thing. Most Irish people have more self-respect than you.

I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment about your 'musical' people, leprechaun, but there's no need to criticize the universal hobby.
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« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2007, 04:25:42 AM »

I long for it in much the same way an Orthodox Jew longs for the Promised Land.

Huh

You part Irish Soulty?

Actually as a random aside does anyone have a link to or knowledge of how much % of people in each US state claim Irish ancestory. (NY First; MA second; PA probably third I'm sure but the rest.. just curious.)

Generally negative, although I like how much drinking goes on there.

LOL.
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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2007, 04:29:39 AM »

Actually as a random aside does anyone have a link to or knowledge of how much % of people in each US state claim Irish ancestory. (NY First; MA second; PA probably third I'm sure but the rest.. just curious.)

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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2007, 04:32:54 AM »

Actually as a random aside does anyone have a link to or knowledge of how much % of people in each US state claim Irish ancestory. (NY First; MA second; PA probably third I'm sure but the rest.. just curious.)



Color scheme?

Fantastic none the less (I can't believe I forgot about NJ) though I must say some of those are really, well, unusual.. what's with the Irish cluster in Western Montana\North Idaho.
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« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2007, 04:44:22 AM »

Actually as a random aside does anyone have a link to or knowledge of how much % of people in each US state claim Irish ancestory. (NY First; MA second; PA probably third I'm sure but the rest.. just curious.)



Color scheme?

No idea, just lifted it as is from wikipedia.

Fantastic none the less (I can't believe I forgot about NJ) though I must say some of those are really, well, unusual.. what's with the Irish cluster in Western Montana\North Idaho.

Can't answer that either.
This document may be of interest though...link, see page 6 in particular - that should answer your original question.
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« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2007, 05:01:42 AM »
« Edited: October 06, 2007, 05:08:24 AM by Jas »

% Claiming Irish Ancestry
(2000 Census)
Massachussets 22.5
New Hampshire 19.4
Rhode island 18.4
Connecticut 16.6
Delaware 16.6
Vermont 16.4
Pennsylvania 16.1
New Jersey 15.9
Maine 15.1
Montana 14.8
Iowa 13.5
Nebraska 13.4
Wyoming 13.3
New York 12.9
Missouri 12.7
Ohio 12.7
Colorado 12.2
Illinois 12.2
Oregon 11.9
Maryland 11.7
Kansas 11.5
Washington 11.4
Minnesota 11.2
Nevada 11
West Virginia 11
Wisconsin 10.9
Alaska 10.8
Indiana 10.8
Michigan 10.7
Kentucky 10.5
South Dakota 10.4
Florida 10.3
Oklahoma 10.3
Arizona 10.2
Idaho 10
Virginia 9.8
Arkansas 9.5
Tennessee 9.3
South Carolina 7.9
Georgia 7.8
Alabama 7.7
California 7.7
North Dakota 7.7
North Carolina 7.4
Texas 7.2
Louisiana 7
Mississippi 6.9
Utah 5.9
D.C. 4.9
Hawaii ?
New Mexico ?
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« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2007, 05:10:54 AM »

Another map:

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/pct_irish.pdf

The next one is for "Scots-Irish" (ie; Ulster Prods)

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/pct_scots_irish.pdf
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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2007, 05:53:30 AM »

You're one day late. Lá an crúiscín was the fourth. Happy belated congratulations to everyone who knows what I'm referring to btw!
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« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2007, 06:08:26 AM »

You're one day late. Lá an crúiscín was the fourth. Happy belated congratulations to everyone who knows what I'm referring to btw!

That is indeed a small group. Smiley

"The majority of the members of the Irish parliament are professional politicians, in the sense that otherwise they would not be given jobs minding mice at a crossroads."

It's as true today as it was then.
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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2007, 06:11:58 AM »

Jas, remember that a large majority of those Irish shown on that map came during the period of 1870-1900. Before that period of time the majority of Scotch/Irish/Welsh were in the American south.
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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2007, 06:15:27 AM »

You're one day late. Lá an crúiscín was the fourth. Happy belated congratulations to everyone who knows what I'm referring to btw!

I think I'm embarrased to admit that I actually don't know what you're talking about.

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Indeed.

This is a country where the likes of Michael Lowry constantly top polls at general elections so..
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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2007, 06:45:47 AM »

You're one day late. Lá an crúiscín was the fourth. Happy belated congratulations to everyone who knows what I'm referring to btw!

I think I'm embarrased to admit that I actually don't know what you're talking about.
We're talking about Flann O'Brien.
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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2007, 07:11:59 AM »

You're one day late. Lá an crúiscín was the fourth. Happy belated congratulations to everyone who knows what I'm referring to btw!

I think I'm embarrased to admit that I actually don't know what you're talking about.
We're talking about Flann O'Brien.

Ah. Okay then. He's been on my reading list for lonnnngg time. Never have got around to it though.

Should figured it out from Jas' quote though.
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