1984 Reagan vs. Carter Rematch

[GPORTER]

I know just how big of a blowout it would be for Reagan, but look at these tickets...

Ronald Reagan/George Bush
vs.
Jimmy Carter/Gary Hart

Discuss with maps.

[Senator Ben]

[Know Your Rights!]

Warner for Senate: That map is impossible.



Remember the line y from "Morning in America" which stated "Why would we ever want to return to where we were just four short years ago?" Such attacks would have even more affect on Carter. Reagan won GA with 60% in 1984 - I don't even give Carter his home state. This would be worse than Mondale IMO.

[Senator Ben]

Warner for Senate: That map is impossible.



Remember the line y from "Morning in America" which stated "Why would we ever want to return to where we were just four short years ago?" Such attacks would have even more affect on Carter. Reagan won GA with 60% in 1984 - I don't even give Carter his home state. This would be worse than Mondale IMO.

As I look at my map, I agree that giving him New England was a little much.  I still think he and Hart could hold their home states, and I doubt Minnesota would switch, but everything else, except maybe Maine and Vermont, goes for Reagan.

[CPT MikeyMike]

Warner for Senate: That map is impossible.



Remember the line y from "Morning in America" which stated "Why would we ever want to return to where we were just four short years ago?" Such attacks would have even more affect on Carter. Reagan won GA with 60% in 1984 - I don't even give Carter his home state. This would be worse than Mondale IMO.

As I look at my map, I agree that giving him New England was a little much.  I still think he and Hart could hold their home states, and I doubt Minnesota would switch, but everything else, except maybe Maine and Vermont, goes for Reagan.

Simon's map is on the nose and his logic is valid. Carter is lucky to break the 35% of the PV.

Hart does NOTHING to the ticket for Carter. It is an embarrassment for the Democrats in '84.

[GPORTER]

I could not agree more, I expected a Reagan blowout in this scenario. I just wanted to see if many of you agreed.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

It would be a Reagan blowout in this scenario. Though we do have to remember that John Anderson did cost Jimmy Carter a few states in the 1980 Presidential Election. This map may be a bit kind to Jimmy Carter though.



Ronald W. Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R): 472 EV, 59.5%
James E. Carter/Gary W. Hart (D): 66 EV, 38.5%
Others (Libertarian, Socialist): 0 EV, 2.0%

[GPORTER]

It would be a Reagan blowout in this scenario. Though we do have to remember that John Anderson did cost Jimmy Carter a few states in the 1980 Presidential Election. This map may be a bit kind to Jimmy Carter though.



Ronald W. Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R): 472 EV, 59.5%
James E. Carter/Gary W. Hart (D): 66 EV, 38.5%
Others (Libertarian, Socialist): 0 EV, 2.0%

I would give Georgia narrowly, very narrowly, to Carter and give New York to Reagan. I would consider giving Massachussetts and everything else, but Minnesota and maybe Colorado, to Reagan.

[gorkay]

I'm sure it would have been a Reagan blowout. It's hard to imagine any scenario in which Carter could have gotten the 1984 Democratic nomination, though. He was such a pariah at that time that he had trouble even being allowed to address the convention, and was scheduled at a time when the party leaders thought no one would be watching.

Of course, things have changed a bit since then.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Reagan wins same results as OTL but with Minnesota and the district voting for him.

[LINCOLN REPUBLICAN]

Without Mondale as the  Presidential nominee, no way Carter wins Minnesota.  Mondale himself only won Minnesota by 0.18% over Reagan in 1984.  Carter for sure does not take the state.  Playboy Hart adds nothing to the ticket, and certainly does not bring in Colorado.

Carter and Hart take DC. 

No way the nation wants to return to the dismal, incompetent, malaise of the Carter years.   

Reagan/Bush                 535
Carter/Hart                        3

[gorkay]

Reagan wins same results as OTL but with Minnesota and the district voting for him.

There's no way a Republican is ever going to carry the District of Columbia.

[Know Your Rights!]

Without Mondale as the  Presidential nominee, no way Carter wins Minnesota.  Mondale himself only won Minnesota by 0.18% over Reagan in 1984.  Carter for sure does not take the state.  Playboy Hart adds nothing to the ticket, and certainly does not bring in Colorado.

Carter and Hart take DC. 

No way the nation wants to return to the dismal, incompetent, malaise of the Carter years.   

Reagan/Bush                 535
Carter/Hart                        3

Hart in 1984 would probably make a better candidate than Carter or Mondale, and overshadowing the Presidential candidate is of course, bad.

Obviously I agree with your map.

[OC]

[CPT MikeyMike]

What the heck are you smoking?

[OC]

I think if Carter had won this would be the map of a possible outcome had Carter won. Reagan was popular but Walter Mondale was damaged by the Gary Hart campaign in 1984 and he had the scandle of Feraro's that didn't back him up. The Dems gained House seats in 1984 and I think Reagan was the cause of that. I think Reagan was strong in NH and OH. I think FL could of went to Carter. We were coming from under a bad recession.

[CPT MikeyMike]

I think if Carter had won this would be the map of a possible outcome had Carter won. Reagan was popular but Walter Mondale was damaged by the Gary Hart campaign in 1984 and he had the scandle of Feraro's that didn't back him up. The Dems gained House seats in 1984 and I think Reagan was the cause of that. I think Reagan was strong in NH and OH. I think FL could of went to Carter. We were coming from under a bad recession.

Again....what the heck are you smoking? Are you that much of a partisan hack?

Nobody was going to beat Reagan in 1984 and Carter would be lucky to win a race for dog catcher.

[GPORTER]

I think if Carter had won this would be the map of a possible outcome had Carter won. Reagan was popular but Walter Mondale was damaged by the Gary Hart campaign in 1984 and he had the scandal of Ferraro's that didn't back him up. The Dems gained House seats in 1984 and I think Reagan was the cause of that. I think Reagan was strong in NH and OH. I think FL could of went to Carter. We were coming from under a bad recession.

I think that you are just too partisan as a democrat. Carter would have lost to Reagan by one of the biggest margins in history had this been the 1984 scenario.

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

What the heck are you smoking?

     You don't want to know.

[NDN]

Nobody was going to beat Reagan in 1984

I wouldn't go that far. I mean someone like Hart was at least competitive with him early on in the polls. Considering some of Reagan's MANY gaffes plus other factors victory would have been possible if unlikely. We just picked one of the worst possible candidates.

And of course Carter would lose in a landslide, maybe worse than Mondale but that's sort of hard to imagine.

[Iosif is a COTHO]

Guys, Carter was never that unpopular. Sure he'd lose big, but you're all getting a bit carried away.

[cmt]

Reagan would have won.  Carter is much more popular today than he was when he left office. His Energy Program certainly looks far-sighted compared to what has happened in the last 28-years.  But in '84, Carter was still looked upon as somewhat of a piraha with the Democratic party.  However, I do think he would have done somewhat better than Mondale did.  I think some southern states would have been much closer.  I think Carter may have been able to win DC, West Virginia, Maryland and possibly Rhode Island in '84, and Georgia is kind of a toss-up.  I'm not sure. 

[Senator Ben]

Georgia's a tossup, but I'll give it to Carter:

[Robespierre's Jaw]

How times have changed.

Ben Constine's first Electoral College map, regarding a 1984 matchup between Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter

Ben Constine's second Electoral College map, regarding a 1984 matchup between Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter

Georgia's a tossup, but I'll give it to Carter:

Just thought I'd point out how Ben Constine's knowledge of American politics have changed in less than a ten month period. He was young and naive about Electoral College maps when he came here, and now he's not. However, he is on the matters of Iran, Israel, etc

[Χahar]

I love how he can't tell when he's posted in a thread.