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Fmr. Gov. NickG
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« on: August 01, 2004, 10:23:47 PM »

I just came across the cartoon.  Seeing as how the forum is being overrun by libertarians, I thought it would be appropriate to post...it's so true!

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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2004, 10:25:48 PM »

Smiley LOL
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2004, 10:27:05 PM »

LOL Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2004, 10:32:03 PM »

LOL Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2004, 10:36:07 PM »

Funny, and perhaps true of the most extreme libertarians, but not true of most.

Of course, if those were liberal housepets, they'd start demanding things of the humans:

Sure, I'll fetch the paper, but you need to buy bigger cans of dog food.

This filter is ok, and necessary, but we need a better one.(by the way, that filter actually is unnecessary, the snail there does the same function at zero cost)

I demand you adopt all the stray cats, now, I don't care what you have to do, make it equal for everyone.
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2004, 11:01:30 PM »

Funny, and perhaps true of the most extreme libertarians, but not true of most.
I hope that what you say is so. Too many libertarians (including on this forum) start with an extreme statement that ignores the facts of the real world. If what you said came across more frequently, the cartoon might seem out of place.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2004, 01:07:27 AM »

I know pets aren't Republicans, because they're too gentle and friendly.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2004, 01:11:01 AM »

I don't think house pets would be any party at all. But this was funny.

Also people say the south has friendly people right? Like when you go to a little town out in the middle of nowhere. And every one talks to you and are very friendly.  And most small town folks are Republicans.
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2004, 02:14:18 AM »

Funny, and perhaps true of the most extreme libertarians, but not true of most.
I hope that what you say is so. Too many libertarians (including on this forum) start with an extreme statement that ignores the facts of the real world. If what you said came across more frequently, the cartoon might seem out of place.

Muon,

You are right on target. I have many libertarian views, but the rigid inflexibility of the modern Libertarian Party simply scares the living hell out of me. On a theoretical level, it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue against the Libertarian position, because it is logically coherent and it is essentially my idea of Utopia (not socialism). But in PRACTICAL terms, libertarianism is limited by the reality of human nature, and thus useful only as a guide, and if one adheres to it too closely, one will bring about the long term destruction of our nation.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2004, 12:15:20 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2004, 12:20:20 PM by John Dibble »

MarkDel,

1. The higher ups of the LP are a bit inflexible, I'll agree with you there. The mainstream libertarians(the little l's) generally don't join the party for this reason. The party needs to realize that we can't instantly transition to a libertarian style government - any quick transition to a new style of government generally causes a lot of harm before it starts doing good. The transition must be gradual.

2. I agree, extreme libertarianism is dangerous, as is extreme liberalism, conservativism, populism, or any political ideology taken to its extreme. Moderation in all things, after all. Communism is an extreme and we all saw how long the USSR lasted because of it. For instance, extreme libertarianism would be economically laizze-faire, but we all know that that can lead to trouble(monopolies, people breaking deals, ect.) - you will always need at least some government intervention in commerce, to help regulate and enforce interstate and international trade deals at the very least.

Edit - I also think having only Libertarians in power would be bad. I'd prefer to have Libertarians, Democrats, and Republicans(and any other parties would be fine too), I would hope that would keep us honest and sticking to our principles. Also, would help prevent us from going too extreme.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2004, 04:39:04 PM »

MarkDel- That is why my avatar is orange not yellow. The libertarian philosophy is tough to argue against because it is so totally internally consistent. The problem is people are not internally consistent. What I think I hear you saying is we need more libertarian beliefs injected in the public debate but it would be dangerous to turn government over to pure libertarians.

Exactly what I was just sayin. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2004, 04:41:47 PM »

Seen this same cartoon posted by a Stalinist once, of all people.

Best part about it is a compliment - it means libertarians are worthy enough to mock along with Democrats and Republicans.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2004, 04:52:51 PM »

Glad to see our party attracting enough attention to get some sarcastic comments.  I never thought of pets as being interested in politics, but now that you mention it I think my cat is a Libertarian, never does a damn thing I tell her to! Very independent!
I would not worry about Libertarians making radical changes in government. Government tends to be like a huge massive ball rolling down hill, its very difficult to change its direction. Even if a significant number were elected they would not be able to change much. Possibly they could slow down the explosive growth in spending, or restore some of the freedoms we've lost. But they would be unable to radically alter government unless they took majority control of both houses and gained the presidency. Not Likely!
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2004, 05:50:23 PM »

MarkDel- That is why my avatar is orange not yellow. The libertarian philosophy is tough to argue against because it is so totally internally consistent. The problem is people are not internally consistent. What I think I hear you saying is we need more libertarian beliefs injected in the public debate but it would be dangerous to turn government over to pure libertarians.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. Most of my beliefs and values are profoundly libertarian, but I realize there are limitations to the theory. Also, the Libertarian Party has really, REALLY missed the boat when it comes to matters of national security. Hopeful isolationism is a prescription for disaster, and that's the MAIN reason why I could never join the Libertarian Party...even though I have more beliefs and values in common with that party than the Republicans...and certainly more than the modern Democrats.

You and John Dibble were right on target in your comments.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2004, 06:17:23 PM »

MarkDel- That is why my avatar is orange not yellow. The libertarian philosophy is tough to argue against because it is so totally internally consistent. The problem is people are not internally consistent. What I think I hear you saying is we need more libertarian beliefs injected in the public debate but it would be dangerous to turn government over to pure libertarians.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. Most of my beliefs and values are profoundly libertarian, but I realize there are limitations to the theory. Also, the Libertarian Party has really, REALLY missed the boat when it comes to matters of national security. Hopeful isolationism is a prescription for disaster, and that's the MAIN reason why I could never join the Libertarian Party...even though I have more beliefs and values in common with that party than the Republicans...and certainly more than the modern Democrats.

You and John Dibble were right on target in your comments.

I agree with that too. I'm also pretty libertarian really, but I think they're too extreme.
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2004, 10:33:03 PM »

Gustaf,

Would I be correct to say that you are Libertarian for the most part, but Center on Economic Issues, Left/Center on Social Issues and Right/Center on Foreign Policy Issues?
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