are you a christian?

[Flying Dog]

Yes. (Moderate Roman Catholic)

[minionofmidas]

Nope. Never have been.

than why are you named Jesus.

That's a long story.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

yes, since late October 1992

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yes I am, I believe you can be a homosexual and saved.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Yes I am, I believe you can be a homosexual and saved.

then what have you been reading?  (where did you get that belief?)

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yes I am, I believe you can be a homosexual and saved.

then what have you been reading?  (where did you get that belief?)

Show me in the bible if you are gay you can't be saved.

[riceowl]

Yes I am, I believe you can be a homosexual and saved.

<high five>

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Yes I am, I believe you can be a homosexual and saved.

then what have you been reading?  (where did you get that belief?)

Show me in the bible if you are gay you can't be saved.

now you're asking me to be politically incorrect:

Rev 21:8 "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

[Joe Republic]

Josh asked you for a Bible quote concerning gay people, not "the sexually immoral".  That quote makes no such connection between the two.

[Speed of Sound]

Nope, not anymore. Early 2006 brought a close to that. (Now a Secular Humanist)

[bullmoose88]

Nope, not anymore. Early 2006 brought a close to that. (Now a Secular Humanist)

Just out of curiosity, what changed your mind?

[Hash]

Josh asked you for a Bible quote concerning gay people, not "the sexually immoral".  That quote makes no such connection between the two.

[Gabu]

Josh asked you for a Bible quote concerning gay people, not "the sexually immoral".  That quote makes no such connection between the two.

Oh boy, here we go again.

Hit the decks.

[Joe Republic]

Josh asked you for a Bible quote concerning gay people, not "the sexually immoral".  That quote makes no such connection between the two.

Oh boy, here we go again.

Hit the decks.

My work here is already done.  I'll leave the fundies to it from here on out.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Josh asked you for a Bible quote concerning gay people, not "the sexually immoral".  That quote makes no such connection between the two.

oh, so the disagreement is whether the behavior is immoral, not that the sexually immoral go to hell?

ok.  then we are in agreement that the bible condemns sexual immorality.  now, we just need to distinguish between sexual morality and sexual immorality.

The ONLY context for sex which the bible places in an acceptable light is sex within the context of a man and woman in marriage.  

The bible NEVER places in an acceptable light contexts such as: adultery, fornication, bestiality, orgies, same-sex sex, prostitution, etc.  Though every one of those contexts is mentioned, every time they are mentioned they are placed in a negative light. 

[Hash]

Examples please. I doubt the bible says "Same-sex marriage is immoral"

[bullmoose88]

Examples please. I doubt the bible says "Same-sex marriage is immoral"

Well, in a sense (without quoting book, chapter and verse) you're correct...if only because the Bible states that same sex relations are immoral...and thus leaves the marriage part unsaid.

[Boris]

What's the point in even debating this? Jmfcst isn't going to change his mind, and even if he were to, big deal. Josh22 isn't going to change his mind; he can't, because he's gay. And Joe Republic clearly doesn't give a sh**t, so why even both responding?

These debates aren't even remotely interesting, because all the respective participants do is talk in circles. I guess I could just ignore the thread, but still, the motives for debating this material bemuse me.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

My work here is already done.  I'll leave the fundies to it from here on out.

yeah, many disciples said pretty much the same thing as they refused to follow him:

John 6
Many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.  Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God."

[Ban my account ffs!]

My work here is already done.  I'll leave the fundies to it from here on out.

yeah, many disciples said pretty much the same thing as they refused to follow him:

John 6
Many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.  Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God."

Your self-infatuation is cute.  Keep going.  Oh, and since you seem to know, do I get to go to heaven?  What about the rest of us?  Do you decide or do you just have the "ins" with God's list?

[Joe Republic]

My work here is already done.  I'll leave the fundies to it from here on out.

yeah, many disciples said pretty much the same thing as they refused to follow him:

John 6
Many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.  Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God."

Ah yes, but let us not forget these words from a far wiser soul than you or I:

Gimli 4'6"
"Let Gimli son of Gloin warn you against foolish words; You speak evil of that which is fair beyond the reach of your thought, and only little wit can excuse you."

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

My work here is already done.  I'll leave the fundies to it from here on out.

yeah, many disciples said pretty much the same thing as they refused to follow him:

John 6
Many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.  Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God."

Ah yes, but let us not forget these words from a far wiser soul than you or I:

Gimli 4'6"
"Let Gimli son of Gloin warn you against foolish words; You speak evil of that which is fair beyond the reach of your thought, and only little wit can excuse you."

And let us not forget these words:

Only dumbs care, jmfcst.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Your self-infatuation is cute.  Keep going.  Oh, and since you seem to know, do I get to go to heaven?  What about the rest of us?  Do you decide or do you just have the "ins" with God's list?

As if I am making myself out as the Judge simply because I accept the bible.  

The Gospel in a NutShell:  There is only one Judge, Jesus Christ.  And his testimony is that we have been born with a fatally flawed nature that is hostile to God and that, in order to be saved, we must repent of all sin and place our trust in him.  In return, he has promised to forgive all of our sins and give us a new nature that will lead us to eternal life.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Jmfcst, all I'm going to say is I was born gay.. I have always like guys, even when I was a little kid. I had my first crush on a guy at the age 5. I know you will say I wasn't, but you aren't gay so therefore you have no clue. You put your faith in a book written by man. I know I do too, but all I am saying is we have no clue how God really thinks, he sure didn't come down from heaven and tell me.

Also let me tell you I did get saved, back in May, and my feelings for guys didn't change. I can't change who I am or how God made me.

[bullmoose88]

Why don't you burn in hell for all eternity athiest scum!

Sounds like someone's got the joy of the Lord in their soul!

If by lord, you mean adolf hitler.