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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2007, 11:43:13 PM »


In addition to the map I posted on the previous page, I also support this map.
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 12:42:14 AM »

What hath I wrought? (Though, FWIW, in the latter map Michigan would need to be transferred to the green district to make all districts have 10 or 11 members with the Oregon-New York correction. The other gerrymandered map has no such problem.)
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2007, 10:30:47 PM »

If I were to have happened to have heard a comment about the map I posted from a non-Governor, I would have been inspired to say that the map I posted appears to be completely balanced.  I would also have reprimanded the non-Governor that they should know my history of maps and realize that the map I posted in this thread is hardly gerrymandered at all for a map submitted by me, for it fiddles quite fairly with all regions (and districts are supposed to be separate from regions, after all, as I have reminded the redistricters every time for a gajillion years).
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2007, 10:55:48 PM »

If I were to have happened to have heard a comment about the map I posted from a non-Governor, I would have been inspired to say that the map I posted appears to be completely balanced.  I would also have reprimanded the non-Governor that they should know my history of maps and realize that the map I posted in this thread is hardly gerrymandered at all for a map submitted by me, for it fiddles quite fairly with all regions (and districts are supposed to be separate from regions, after all, as I have reminded the redistricters every time for a gajillion years).

I actually like the map too, specifically the part where I don't have to run against Earl.  Purple heart
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2007, 11:02:47 PM »

If I were to have happened to have heard a comment about the map I posted from a non-Governor, I would have been inspired to say that the map I posted appears to be completely balanced.  I would also have reprimanded the non-Governor that they should know my history of maps and realize that the map I posted in this thread is hardly gerrymandered at all for a map submitted by me, for it fiddles quite fairly with all regions (and districts are supposed to be separate from regions, after all, as I have reminded the redistricters every time for a gajillion years).

It's unbalanced because my unofficial census has an error in it; New York and Oregon should have 4 people each.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2007, 12:38:02 AM »

Does anybody know when there will be a vote on this? Just curious.
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2007, 07:30:51 AM »

Does anybody know when there will be a vote on this? Just curious.

I've mentioned friday, and haven't seen any objections. If Jesus is going to be taking charge, its up to him.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2007, 07:41:43 AM »

I was going to wait for Lewis to do the official census.
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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2007, 11:35:18 AM »

OFFICIAL CENSUS MAP


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Please note that the two voters marked as residing in Florida are actually residents not of Florida but of Puerto Rico.
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2007, 03:40:30 PM »
« Edited: November 16, 2007, 03:55:35 PM by Jesus »

^Thank you, Lewis. Now that we have the official census numbers, we can proceed.

I ask that only Governors post in this thread now, please. I'm sure we'll be all be looking at the citizens re-districting thread. Smiley

How about we each submit one map by Sunday night. You can create this map yourself or use a map created by someone else. We'll then vote on the hopefully five maps using a mix of approval and preferential voting to decide on a map. We'll leave voting open for 3 days or until all Governors have voted.

Anyway, could all Governors please have a map submitted by Sunday night, say 9pm Eastern? We can then proceed to vote and have a map by next week.



Here is my proposal:

District 1 - Dark Yellow (11 voters)
District 2 - Pink (10 voters)
District 3 - Blue (11 voters)
District 4 - Green (10 voters)
District 5 - Red (11 voters)

*Puerto Rico's voters are counted as part of Florida in this map. Puerto Rico is in District 4 (Green).

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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2007, 02:11:47 PM »

I endorse the map above by Jesus. I believe this to be the best fit for Atlasia.
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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2007, 02:19:05 PM »
« Edited: November 18, 2007, 02:24:01 PM by ¡Bacon King! »

My official proposal:



Green: district one
Purple: district two
Teal: district three
Yellow: district four
Red: district five
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2007, 05:20:34 PM »

It might save you guys work if you added a numbering scheme with your proposals, so you don't have to separately vote on that as well. Just a suggestion, mind. Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2007, 05:27:08 PM »

Proposal ILV-1:


District 1 (Blue): 10
District 2 (Orange): 11
District 3 (Red): 11
District 4 (Green): 10
District 5 (Yellow): 11

Jesus's map is nothing more than a tired redo of the eternal status quo.
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« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2007, 11:08:48 PM »

I like Jesus' it seems nice and orderly.
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« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2007, 11:24:17 PM »


ORDERLY IS NOT A CRITERION FOR REDISTRICTING Angry
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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2007, 11:47:40 PM »


ORDERLY IS NOT A CRITERION FOR REDISTRICTING Angry

And making the districts as random and crazy as possible is?

Like you, he is merely deciding which map he likes best based on his personal preferences.
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« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2007, 02:20:59 PM »
« Edited: November 18, 2007, 02:25:01 PM by ¡Bacon King! »

Once again, I wholeheartedly support ILV's map, as well as my own. I urge the other governors to try something different, rather than accepting a boring regional-based map.

Also, please not that I have numbered the districts in my submission.
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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2007, 04:44:27 PM »
« Edited: November 18, 2007, 04:50:04 PM by ¡Bacon King! »

I withdraw my previous submission in favor of this map:



Blue: 11 citizens, district 1
Green: 11 citizens, district 2
Red: 10 citizens, district 3
Purple: 11 citizens, district 4
Yellow: 10 citizens, district 5

This map complies with all Atlasian redistricting law.

I'm open to changing district numbers, by the way.
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2007, 11:31:27 PM »

Okay, let's get voting. Which map gets the most votes wins. If there is a tie, then we will use preferential and approval voting to narrow down a winner.

Here are the proposals:

MAP A

District 1 - Dark Yellow (11 voters)
District 2 - Pink (10 voters)
District 3 - Blue (11 voters)
District 4 - Green (10 voters)
District 5 - Red (11 voters)

*Puerto Rico's voters are counted as part of Florida in this map. Puerto Rico is in District 4 (Green).



MAP B

District 1 (Blue): 10
District 2 (Orange): 11
District 3 (Red): 11
District 4 (Green): 10
District 5 (Yellow): 11



MAP C


Blue: 11 citizens, district 1
Green: 11 citizens, district 2
Red: 10 citizens, district 3
Purple: 11 citizens, district 4
Yellow: 10 citizens, district 5




My vote:
Preference) Map - Approve/Disapprove
1) Map A - Approve
2) Map B - Disapprove
3) Map C - Disapprove
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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2007, 11:36:52 PM »

1) Map A - Approve
2) Map B - Disapprove
3) Map C - Disapprove
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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2007, 07:04:38 AM »

1. Map C - Approve
2. Mab B - Approve
3. Map A - Disapprove
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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2007, 08:16:48 AM »

Map A:Disapprove
Map B:Disapprove
Map C:Approve
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« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2007, 10:17:37 AM »

Note one: As you need a two-thirds majority, ie four votes, and the tallies stand at 2-1-2, Ilikeverin's vote doesn't matter at this point.

Note two: The SoFA has grave doubts about the constitutionality of map C. The constitutional text states "there can be no more than one State dividing the States in one district". While any random two States of the same district in map C are divided by only one State, the whole districts are divided by many more States than one. Whether or not the map is constitutional would probably end up being determined in court.
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« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2007, 02:51:00 PM »

Note one: As you need a two-thirds majority, ie four votes, and the tallies stand at 2-1-2, Ilikeverin's vote doesn't matter at this point.

Note two: The SoFA has grave doubts about the constitutionality of map C. The constitutional text states "there can be no more than one State dividing the States in one district". While any random two States of the same district in map C are divided by only one State, the whole districts are divided by many more States than one. Whether or not the map is constitutional would probably end up being determined in court.


We know, and we've agreed to the rules I set. So even if a map only had say 3 of us vote for it, all 5 of us agreed to abide by the rules and would thus be behind it.

Although, I think HappyWarrior misunderstood me. I said preference), meaning rank them in preferential order. At least I assume he misunderstood me as he only approves of his third preference.

And I thought you liked my map, HappyWarrior Sad. I hope you reconsider voting for it. I see no reason to justify those "different" maps. I think districts should be in concentrated "blobs," so Senators have a relatively stable and distinct district that they represent. Verin likes to say I'm basing them off the regions, though I just start in the corners and work my way in and make sure my districts look nice and orderly and have distinct boundaries. If some of them end up looking similar to regions, who cares. Besides, the Pacific is in Districts 4 and 5, the Midwest is in Districts 3 and 4, the Northeast is in Districts 1 and 2, and the Mideast is in Districts 2, 3, and 4. I could have easily made the maps much more like the regions had that been my intention, but it wasn't. Besides, the reason we have districts instead of just two regional Senators is because one region might end up having a lot fewer people than another--the same reason the real U.S. has the Senate and the House. District maps should make sure they all have equal or nearly equal populations--not waste time on making sure they're "unique" and "not like the regions." In my opinion, Verin's map is just another tired old "LOL LOOK HOW DIFFERENT IT IS" proposal. I hope we don't make the mistake of creating silly far-flung districts under this misguided ideal.  And, as Lewis said, Bacon King's map is probably illegal so we might want to avoid nominating that one and end up not having a map at all.
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