Mexico?

[minionofmidas]

That was the short answer, now for the long one...
The early '80s saw a lot of protests against the stationing of more nukes over here in Europe (it's funny - back then the Left blamed it on Reagan though the accords were pushed through by Carter, after the collapse of the Soviet Union the Right agreed too - and now it's the accepted way of thinking of the era) which, in the public memory are linked to the more important protests against nuclear dumps and new nuclear plants of the same period, largely because the same people were involved. The rise of the German Greens, Schröder's coalition partner, is definitely tied up with those events. (This doesn't sound right - correct my English, please. )
Schröder was the chairman of the Jusos, the SPD's youth organization, at the time, and was one of the earliest propagators of Red-Green coalitions within the SPD. He also ram against Nuclearphile State PM Ernst Albrecht (CDU) twice in Lower Saxony (losing in 86, winning in 90), and formed the second Red-Green coalition on a state level after that. (The first had been here in Hessen.) I guess that with a bit of selective memory, a bit of guileful misrepresentation, you could easily turn that into an Anti-American record.
And in 2002, the issue of a possible Iraq war suddenly arose in the middle of the Election campaign, and it certainly helped Schröder win reelection, though the floods on the Elbe were more important by far.

As to your personal experiences: It's not as if we spend all our lives talking about Bush. I can think of thousands of nicer topics than that guy. The issue is bound to crop up from time to time, and you'll find few people who can see anything positive in Bush. I guess you could have got some kind of conversation on the topic going by mentioning that you dislike Bush. But then that would have been a lie...
Germany may be a Federal Republic to the CIA because our states are older than our country (like some of yours) and all have different constitutions (like all of yours) - there's lots of other countries with some sort of "states", but most of them might be described as fake federacies - ie the central government set up the states.

Oh, and to set that point from your post before straight: Last time I checked there were more than half a dozen parties in the Egyptian parliament. It's just that one of them always wins...

[TommyC1776]

PrezMex,

Have you started to make a Mexican page like this?

[ThePrezMex]

PrezMex,

Have you started to make a Mexican page like this?

No, not yet. I'm not that skilled, technologically speaking, so I'm trying to learn how to do it.

[ThePrezMex]

Hey, do you have any other questions about Mexico elections and political process?

[Kodratos]

Hey, do you have any other questions about Mexico elections and political process?

I have a question. Why are PRD and PRI both members of Socialists International? What is the real differance between the two parties?

[angus]

That was the short answer, now for the long one...
The early '80s saw a lot of protests against the stationing of more nukes over here in Europe (it's funny - back then the Left blamed it on Reagan though the accords were pushed through by Carter, after the collapse of the Soviet Union the Right agreed too - and now it's the accepted way of thinking of the era) which, in the public memory are linked to the more important protests against nuclear dumps and new nuclear plants of the same period, largely because the same people were involved. The rise of the German Greens, Schröder's coalition partner, is definitely tied up with those events. (This doesn't sound right - correct my English, please. )
Schröder was the chairman of the Jusos, the SPD's youth organization, at the time, and was one of the earliest propagators of Red-Green coalitions within the SPD. He also ram against Nuclearphile State PM Ernst Albrecht (CDU) twice in Lower Saxony (losing in 86, winning in 90), and formed the second Red-Green coalition on a state level after that. (The first had been here in Hessen.) I guess that with a bit of selective memory, a bit of guileful misrepresentation, you could easily turn that into an Anti-American record.
And in 2002, the issue of a possible Iraq war suddenly arose in the middle of the Election campaign, and it certainly helped Schröder win reelection, though the floods on the Elbe were more important by far.

As to your personal experiences: It's not as if we spend all our lives talking about Bush. I can think of thousands of nicer topics than that guy. The issue is bound to crop up from time to time, and you'll find few people who can see anything positive in Bush. I guess you could have got some kind of conversation on the topic going by mentioning that you dislike Bush. But then that would have been a lie...
Germany may be a Federal Republic to the CIA because our states are older than our country (like some of yours) and all have different constitutions (like all of yours) - there's lots of other countries with some sort of "states", but most of them might be described as fake federacies - ie the central government set up the states.

Oh, and to set that point from your post before straight: Last time I checked there were more than half a dozen parties in the Egyptian parliament. It's just that one of them always wins...

Thanks Lewis, it was actually more of a rhetorical question, I think.  Nothing wrong with the grammatical construct in question, by the way, except its reliance on colloquialism.  Yes, to be fair Egypt is a one-party state the way Mexico was for 71 years, but not in the formal way China is now.

I could go on very long and clarify the point I was trying to make about there being a misimpression among US persons about anti-US sentiment abroad, but I'm too tired.  I'm not sure I made the point very well, but nevertheless, you grossly misread my personality.  It would be truer to say that I'm the sort of guy that would pretend to like Bush, if I didn't, when I find myself surrounded by Germans, than to say I'm the sort of guy who would pretend to dislike Bush, if I really did like him, when I find myself surrounded by Germans.  I am generally apt to find out what position everyone in a room takes, and claim that I take the minority position.  It is much more fun.  I'll even avoid eating certain foods if they become fashionable.  I am NO Lisa Simpson.  I like to think I'm more Bart Simpson.  Not that that is relevant, I just wouldn't want you to think I'm not the sort of person who doesn't thoroughly enjoy making others unnecessarily exasperated and sitting back and just laughing at them.  In fact, that's the purest and most delightful entertainment I know.  Maybe that's why I never see anti-US sentiment.  Maybe I see it and just don't recognize it as such, because during such moments I'd be enjoying myself too much, and moreover, I'd assume the others were simply playing the same game, and enjoying themselves too.  

[ThePrezMex]

Hey, do you have any other questions about Mexico elections and political process?

I have a question. Why are PRD and PRI both members of Socialists International? What is the real differance between the two parties?

Sure. The PRD is truly on the left. They have people as moderate as social democrats all the way to former communists. Although it has to be said that no one in that party is now very radical. The PRD has very liberal positions regarding abortion, gay rights, women rights, etc.. are protectionist on trade, big government, etc. They are close to the Socialist Party of Spain and France and the PT in Brazil. Thus, they naturally belong to the Socialists International.

The PRI is different. It is an umbrella party, very similar to the Congress Party of India. The PRI includes people as far right as former Presidents Zedillo who is staunchly in favor of free trade, globalization, deregulation, privatization to the left with radical union and peasant leaders. American educated technocrats (guess I will qualify as one when I finish studying here) to old politicians (know as dinosaurs). The reason the PRI is in the Socialists International was that President Echeverria (1970-76) who was a populist, decided that way, when he was part of the non-aligned movement. The PRI has basically abandoned that position, although some may be willing to push it that way again.

[minionofmidas]

Hey, Angus.
That might be...or maybe you just read dislike of Bush as "dislike of Bush" rather than as "Anti-Americanism"...

Here's a German poll I found funny...
do you think it would be better for improving Germany's relations with the US if
-Kerry won 49%
-Bush won 3%
-makes no difference 39%
-don't know 9%
That everybody agrees they should improve was apparently taken for granted by whoever crafted the question.

[angus]

Hey, Angus.
That might be...or maybe you just read dislike of Bush as "dislike of Bush" rather than as "Anti-Americanism"...

Here's a German poll I found funny...
do you think it would be better for improving Germany's relations with the US if
-Kerry won 49%
-Bush won 3%
-makes no difference 39%
-don't know 9%
That everybody agrees they should improve was apparently taken for granted by whoever crafted the question.

I wonder what percent of respondents would chose the option that relations shouldn't improve.  I have to admit I'd be in the 39% group on this one.  And, yes, my point was that our media is, in fact, selling anti-Bush propaganda as anti-American propaganda.  Still, you gotta admire the fact that Schroeder's been about as anti-USA as anyone, and wasn't shy about it, and became chancellor.  Probably that's all just coincidence.  

[ThePrezMex]

Hey, Angus.
That might be...or maybe you just read dislike of Bush as "dislike of Bush" rather than as "Anti-Americanism"...

Here's a German poll I found funny...
do you think it would be better for improving Germany's relations with the US if
-Kerry won 49%
-Bush won 3%
-makes no difference 39%
-don't know 9%
That everybody agrees they should improve was apparently taken for granted by whoever crafted the question.

I wonder what percent of respondents would chose the option that relations shouldn't improve.  I have to admit I'd be in the 39% group on this one.  And, yes, my point was that our media is, in fact, selling anti-Bush propaganda as anti-American propaganda.  Still, you gotta admire the fact that Schroeder's been about as anti-USA as anyone, and wasn't shy about it, and became chancellor.  Probably that's all just coincidence.  

Hey Angus and Lewis, I've been enjoying your deep exchange about perceptions of the United States in Germany but, don't you think it shouldn't be on the "Mexico" thread?
Although at least it keeps the thread alive... I'm still expecting more people to ask me about Mexico.

[minionofmidas]

Where else if not on the Mexico thread?
and Angus, I think you meant "and stayed chancellor". Right after he won his first election, we went to war together with you guys, remember? Kosovo?

[TommyC1776]

Where else if not on the Mexico thread?

maybe you could create a thread about other countries.

[angus]

Hey, Angus.
That might be...or maybe you just read dislike of Bush as "dislike of Bush" rather than as "Anti-Americanism"...

Here's a German poll I found funny...
do you think it would be better for improving Germany's relations with the US if
-Kerry won 49%
-Bush won 3%
-makes no difference 39%
-don't know 9%
That everybody agrees they should improve was apparently taken for granted by whoever crafted the question.

I wonder what percent of respondents would chose the option that relations shouldn't improve.  I have to admit I'd be in the 39% group on this one.  And, yes, my point was that our media is, in fact, selling anti-Bush propaganda as anti-American propaganda.  Still, you gotta admire the fact that Schroeder's been about as anti-USA as anyone, and wasn't shy about it, and became chancellor.  Probably that's all just coincidence.  

Hey Angus and Lewis, I've been enjoying your deep exchange about perceptions of the United States in Germany but, don't you think it shouldn't be on the "Mexico" thread?
Although at least it keeps the thread alive... I'm still expecting more people to ask me about Mexico.

My apologies.  I spent most of the summer of 2001 in Mexico, and came away wondering how Fox could possibly have won there.  It'd be like a Martian spending most of the summer of 2001 in Honolulu, I suppose.  That martian would no doubt go back to mars wondering how Bush could possibly have won 271 votes.  Since that time, I've visited Mexico maybe ten times, mostly in more economically successful areas such as QR, BCS, and the northern deserts.  Mexicans love to discuss politics with me.  At least that's my impression.  And unlike US people, who like to waste all their time discussing trivialities like homosexuality and pregnancy termination, Mexicans like to discuss the important stuff, like jobs and education and transportation.  We can learn alot from Mexico, if we listen.  With Bush, we thought we had elected a listener.  Seems that his priorities changed after September 2001.  Can't say that I blame him, though.  Tough break for Fox, that was, wouldn't you say?

[TommyC1776]

how old do youu have to be to run for president in Mexico?

[ThePrezMex]

how old do youu have to be to run for president in Mexico?

Exactly the same as in the United States - 35yo.

[TommyC1776]

Prez Mex,

how's the Mexican site coming?  Can u update me on it through email (TommyCraw@aol.com)

[The Duke]

Where else if not on the Mexico thread?
and Angus, I think you meant "and stayed chancellor". Right after he won his first election, we went to war together with you guys, remember? Kosovo?

Next time join a war that's worth a damn.

"Some damn fool thing in the Balkans will start the next war."
--Otto Von Bismark

[TommyC1776]

Prez Mex,

what were the Mexican Presidential results in the 1988 and 1994 elections?

Thanks,

K4P

[willhsmit]

Kucinich,

Webcrawled for the following results. Note that the 1988 result was heavily contested due to allegations of severe ballot fraud, and the official figures may be inaccurate:

1994: Officially, PRI candidate Ernesto Zedillo won with 50.17% of the vote. The right-wing PAN candidate Diego Fernández de Cevallos came in second with 26% and the left-wing PRD candidate Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas — the likely true winner of the 1988 race — came in third with 17%.

1988: Official returns from Mexico's 1988 presidential election showed the ruling party winning just over 50 percent of the vote, compared to about 30 percent for the leftist National Democracy Front. While the PRI claimed victory, the PRD leader Cárdenas claimed the election had been stolen.

[ThePrezMex]

Prez Mex,

what were the Mexican Presidential results in the 1988 and 1994 elections?

Thanks,

K4P

Hey K4P, sorry for not replying earlier - I've been pretty busy with school and stuff. I will post the national and state results, and will try to make up some maps before Sunday.

[TommyC1776]

Hey K4P, sorry for not replying earlier - I've been pretty busy with school and stuff. I will post the national and state results, and will try to make up some maps before Sunday.

Have you made any yet PrezMex?

[TommyC1776]

Hey K4P, sorry for not replying earlier - I've been pretty busy with school and stuff. I will post the national and state results, and will try to make up some maps before Sunday.

Have you made any yet PrezMex?

huh?  any maps yet?

[ThePrezMex]

Hey K4P, sorry for not replying earlier - I've been pretty busy with school and stuff. I will post the national and state results, and will try to make up some maps before Sunday.

Have you made any yet PrezMex?

huh?  any maps yet?

This weekend! I promise, I promise. Maybe even sooner.

[TommyC1776]

This weekend! I promise, I promise. Maybe even sooner.

well?

[Kodratos]

This weekend! I promise, I promise. Maybe even sooner.

well?

Stop bugging him man!