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minionofmidas
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« on: August 04, 2004, 02:51:59 AM »

BCS = PAN country, verdad?  

the rest of the country seems more comfortable with a larger role for government than most US folks do.  Then there's that contrary doctor from the DF.  Nobody knows what he stands for.  Kind of like Bill Clinton.  Or me.  My guess is that he's good at walking the thin line between class warfare and keeeping the wealthy economic engines greased.  Not unlike the DLC, or what you might call a Rockefeller REpublican.  

You mexican?  I often say that's my favorite country in the world, next to my own.  I've been to 21 of the estados, so far, and my favorite remains Chiapas, leftism be damned.  Actually, in mexico it all makes sense.  I can understand impoverished chiapans voting Left, and displaced californians voting pan.  Here it's all weird, what with Mississippians voting for the GOP and Connecticut Yankees voting for Democrats.  But it's only confusing till you realize that the Democrats aren't really "liberal" and the GOP isn't really "conservative."  In that sense, the Mexicans are like the English and the Germans and everyone else.  It is we who have divided along some pretty bizarre lines, wouldn't you agree?
Yes, I would...although we Germans got some pretty odd divisions too.
Angus is back! Smiley
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 05:38:36 AM »

then I was wrong.  but I've only been to 3 of the Landen in your country.  
Länder. Smiley
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Yeah, I've come across this cliché a few times before...
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As this is "other", I thought that change was in order. The name change is just a joke related to the Pawns of Power RPG. I'll probably go back to Lewis in a week or so.

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Yeah, they continued making Beetles there into the '90s!
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So what are we? We also got multiple parties and a Republic! (Unlike Canada and England and Japan, btw.) But yes, you are more like Mexico and France than like Canada and the UK, I'd have to agree there...

Oh, but back to my comment on our party loyalties...Class does play a role in Germany. So does religion (Catholics tend to vote CDU/CSU, Protestants SPD, irreligious people third party), region, and -you don't have this one in America- generation. For example, in the European elections (which went extremely well for the Greens) in Frankfurt (a Green stronghold), we were the strongest party in all age groups under 60, but got about 5% among those over 60.
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2004, 03:56:53 AM »

Your newsmedia are feeding you baloney.
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2004, 04:16:36 AM »

That was the short answer, now for the long one...
The early '80s saw a lot of protests against the stationing of more nukes over here in Europe (it's funny - back then the Left blamed it on Reagan though the accords were pushed through by Carter, after the collapse of the Soviet Union the Right agreed too - and now it's the accepted way of thinking of the era) which, in the public memory are linked to the more important protests against nuclear dumps and new nuclear plants of the same period, largely because the same people were involved. The rise of the German Greens, Schröder's coalition partner, is definitely tied up with those events. (This doesn't sound right - correct my English, please. Smiley)
Schröder was the chairman of the Jusos, the SPD's youth organization, at the time, and was one of the earliest propagators of Red-Green coalitions within the SPD. He also ram against Nuclearphile State PM Ernst Albrecht (CDU) twice in Lower Saxony (losing in 86, winning in 90), and formed the second Red-Green coalition on a state level after that. (The first had been here in Hessen.) I guess that with a bit of selective memory, a bit of guileful misrepresentation, you could easily turn that into an Anti-American record.
And in 2002, the issue of a possible Iraq war suddenly arose in the middle of the Election campaign, and it certainly helped Schröder win reelection, though the floods on the Elbe were more important by far.

As to your personal experiences: It's not as if we spend all our lives talking about Bush. I can think of thousands of nicer topics than that guy. The issue is bound to crop up from time to time, and you'll find few people who can see anything positive in Bush. I guess you could have got some kind of conversation on the topic going by mentioning that you dislike Bush. But then that would have been a lie...
Germany may be a Federal Republic to the CIA because our states are older than our country (like some of yours) and all have different constitutions (like all of yours) - there's lots of other countries with some sort of "states", but most of them might be described as fake federacies - ie the central government set up the states.

Oh, and to set that point from your post before straight: Last time I checked there were more than half a dozen parties in the Egyptian parliament. It's just that one of them always wins...
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2004, 06:10:33 AM »

Hey, Angus.
That might be...or maybe you just read dislike of Bush as "dislike of Bush" rather than as "Anti-Americanism"...

Here's a German poll I found funny...
do you think it would be better for improving Germany's relations with the US if
-Kerry won 49%
-Bush won 3%
-makes no difference 39%
-don't know 9%
That everybody agrees they should improve was apparently taken for granted by whoever crafted the question.
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 07:40:14 AM »

Where else if not on the Mexico thread? Smiley
and Angus, I think you meant "and stayed chancellor". Right after he won his first election, we went to war together with you guys, remember? Kosovo?
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2004, 03:26:24 AM »

Interesting to see so few states went officially for Cardenas in 88.
Cool maps, although a color key would be nice.
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