is udall too liberal to win statewide in colorado?

[WalterMitty]

personally i like him.  i like the whole udall family.

but i think this race might be a lot closer than a lot of the dems expect.

[© tweed]

is Brown too liberal to win statewide in Ohio?
is Tester too liberal to win statewide in Montana?

[WalterMitty]

is Brown too liberal to win statewide in Ohio?
is Tester too liberal to win statewide in Montana?

yes.  as you will find out in 2012.

just like grams was too conservative to win in mn, but the tidal wave of 94 washed him in.

[© tweed]

the relevant point is that you used those claims in 2006, in reference to 2006.  I'm assuming this thread is about 2008, and not 2014.  correct me if I am wrong.

and I'll also remind you, that projection of the future is not an argument.

[Lief 🗽]

Udall's a good fit for New Mexico, just like Tester, Brown and Webb were/are good fits for Montana, Ohio and Virginia.

[WalterMitty]

the relevant point is that you used those claims in 2006, in reference to 2006.  I'm assuming this thread is about 2008, and not 2014.  correct me if I am wrong.

and I'll also remind you, that projection of the future is not an argument.

are you expecting 08 to be as democrat of a year as 06?

possible.  but probably not.

[© tweed]

the relevant point is that you used those claims in 2006, in reference to 2006.  I'm assuming this thread is about 2008, and not 2014.  correct me if I am wrong.

and I'll also remind you, that projection of the future is not an argument.

are you expecting 08 to be as democrat of a year as 06?

possible.  but probably not.

yes, if not moreso.  Dems have exhausted most of the HOR possibilities so likely will only make marginal gains there but I consider a similar senate swing and a presidential victory to be very likely.

[WalterMitty]

the relevant point is that you used those claims in 2006, in reference to 2006.  I'm assuming this thread is about 2008, and not 2014.  correct me if I am wrong.

and I'll also remind you, that projection of the future is not an argument.

are you expecting 08 to be as democrat of a year as 06?

possible.  but probably not.

yes, if not moreso.  Dems have exhausted most of the HOR possibilities so likely will only make marginal gains there but I consider a similar senate swing and a presidential victory to be very likely.

well ill agree that if 08 is as democrat as 06, udalll will win.

[Gabu]

Here we go again.

[Meeker]

Why wouldn't 2008 be as Democratic as 2006? The things that caused the 2006 victory (anger at the GOP and anger over Iraq) are still just as present today.

[WalterMitty]

Why wouldn't 2008 be as Democratic as 2006? The things that caused the 2006 victory (anger at the GOP and anger over Iraq) are still just as present today.

today=2007
hey, look, i think udall has an edge in the race, and i think the democrat nominee for president will likely win colorado.

i just wanted to stimulate some discussion.

[Meeker]

Why wouldn't 2008 be as Democratic as 2006? The things that caused the 2006 victory (anger at the GOP and anger over Iraq) are still just as present today.

today=2007

Exact same argument used this time in 2005. We all know how that one turned out.

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I'm not mad at you for bringing it up, I was just stating my opinion.

I think it'll probably end up about 53% - 46% Udall. Possibly more than that.

[Smash255]

No, and if any question should be asked, it should be is Schaffer to conservative to win statewide in Colorado?

The Democratic trend in Colorado is being led by the Denver suburbs an area where Udall will win.  The outer suburbs to exurban areas such a Douglas County remain strongly GOP, but the inner suburbs specifically Jefferson & Araphoe counties were once GOP strongholds, they aren't anymore, and it costs the GOP  The area would vote for a liberal Democrat over a conservative Republican.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Why wouldn't 2008 be as Democratic as 2006? The things that caused the 2006 victory (anger at the GOP and anger over Iraq) are still just as present today.

The fact that Democrats haven't done a thing to justify being given continued control other than the fact that they're not Republicans?  That's a new twist.  Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's.

[Meeker]

Why wouldn't 2008 be as Democratic as 2006? The things that caused the 2006 victory (anger at the GOP and anger over Iraq) are still just as present today.

The fact that Democrats haven't done a thing to justify being given continued control other than the fact that they're not Republicans?  That's a new twist.  Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's.

So the logical thing for people to do is go back to the ones they just chucked out of office? America may be pissed at the Democrats, but they hate the Republicans even more. And polling backs that up.

[Ogre Mage]

In 2001 & 2002 The League of Conservation Voters gave Bob Schaffer a rating of 0%.

Mark Udall received 100%.

[nclib]

Given that the Colorado GOP will probably nominate a staunch right-winger, Udall will probably win.

As an aside, I remember noticing years ago that Udall considered himself a 'non-practicing Mormon'. I was wondering if his lack of religion will hurt him.

[bullmoose88]

Given that the Colorado GOP will probably nominate a staunch right-winger, Udall will probably win.

As an aside, I remember noticing years ago that Udall considered himself a 'non-practicing Mormon'. I was wondering if his lack of religion will hurt him.

How many people in Colorado are Mormons (very tempted to say morons), percentage wise?

Because if its a small percentage, Udall might be in a catch 22 as religion goes...

[Padfoot]

Why wouldn't 2008 be as Democratic as 2006? The things that caused the 2006 victory (anger at the GOP and anger over Iraq) are still just as present today.

The fact that Democrats haven't done a thing to justify being given continued control other than the fact that they're not Republicans?  That's a new twist.  Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's.

Yet Democrats continue to lead by wide margins in the nationwide Congressional ballot and they also enjoy much higher approval ratings when people are asked separately about Congressional Democrats and Congressional Republicans.

Congressional approval ratings by themselves are highly deceiving in that most people rate Congress based on how much the opposing party is annoying the party they favor.  Right now, Republicans are being highly obstructionist so Democratic voters have a negative view of Congress.  At the same time, Democrats are pushing an agenda that the Republicans dislike so Republican voters are pissed as well.  Thus, you end up with a very low approval rating that doesn't really mean very much.

[HardRCafé]

In 2001 & 2002 The League of Conservation Voters gave Bob Schaffer a rating of 0%.

Mark Udall received 100%.

One will win anyway.  Slight Udall.

[opebo]

is Brown too liberal to win statewide in Ohio?
is Tester too liberal to win statewide in Montana?

yes.  as you will find out in 2012.

Brown is a good fit for Ohio, and Ohio is moving more and more towards Brown every year.  He shouldn't have any trouble staying in the Senate for as long as he wants.  Obviously you have an excellent point about Tester and Montana, however - could go either way.

[Adlai Stevenson]

is Brown too liberal to win statewide in Ohio?
is Tester too liberal to win statewide in Montana?

yes.  as you will find out in 2012.

Brown is a good fit for Ohio, and Ohio is moving more and more towards Brown every year.  He shouldn't have any trouble staying in the Senate for as long as he wants.  Obviously you have an excellent point about Tester and Montana, however - could go either way.

I thought that Brown may have said somewhere that he wasn't going to run for re-election in 2012?  I know these things are subject to change but still...

[Democratic Hawk]

No, I don't consider Udall is too liberal to win statewide. What does seem to be happening is that, statewide, Colorado is clearly in no mood to elect right-wing whackadoos nowadays

Dave

[Wiz in Wis]

is udall too liberal to win statewide in colorado?

No

[DownWithTheLeft]

I still feel many people in CO do not want 3 Democrats as their top statewide officials, which could cause some defection.  Also, the 2 Dems they elected recently, Ritter and Salazar, are some of the most conservative Dems.  I think Schaffer surprises a lot of people and wins this race.  As for NM, that's another story I won't address until after the primary.