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Question: Do you believe in global warming?
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Yes, I agree with the scientific consensus
 
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Yes, although man's responsibility is exaggerated
 
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Yes, but man is not responsible at all
 
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No
 
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« on: November 19, 2007, 02:38:51 AM »

Do you believe in global warming?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 02:46:53 AM »

"Yes, I agree with the scientific consensus"

I am not qualified to make my own opinions, so I defer to the people who are, and they overwhelmingly say that it's real and caused by humans.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 02:58:12 AM »


You're qualified to examine their arguments and see if they make sense.  Do you know what the assertions are that they make and the evidence that they present to support these assertions?  Good, then you have all you need to actually think for yourself.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 03:08:53 AM »


Is a musician qualified to come to his own conclusion about the Iraq war?  Is a mechanic qualified to come to his own conclusions on the correctness of religion?
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 07:04:02 AM »

Yes, I agree with the scientific consensus.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 08:59:28 AM »


So no answer is correct. I am though very skeptical about the whole Global warming movement.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 09:00:28 AM »

"Yes, I agree with the scientific consensus" - what consensus would that be? I'd say there's a consensus that the Earth is undergoing some warming and perhaps even a consensus that humans are involved in it, but as far as I know there is no consensus on how much of the warming is due to human activity or what the exact effects of the warming will be. Climatology is an extremely complex science and there's much we still don't know.

I suppose option 2 is closest to my opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 10:19:08 AM »

Option 1
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 10:29:47 AM »

"Yes, I agree with the scientific consensus" - what consensus would that be? I'd say there's a consensus that the Earth is undergoing some warming and perhaps even a consensus that humans are involved in it, but as far as I know there is no consensus on how much of the warming is due to human activity
Do you want an exact percentage? Does it really matter whether it's 75% or 90%? That seems to be the approximate range we're talking here.
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Oh yes, we're very much in agreement on that part. But then, accepting this is part of the scientific consensus.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 10:39:10 AM »

"Yes, I agree with the scientific consensus" - what consensus would that be? I'd say there's a consensus that the Earth is undergoing some warming and perhaps even a consensus that humans are involved in it, but as far as I know there is no consensus on how much of the warming is due to human activity
Do you want an exact percentage? Does it really matter whether it's 75% or 90%? That seems to be the approximate range we're talking here.
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Oh yes, we're very much in agreement on that part. But then, accepting this is part of the scientific consensus.

An exact percentage would be nice, but we won't get it anytime soon. But as I said, we really don't have a real consensus on how much of the warming is caused by humans as far as I'm concerned, so I object to the notion that there is one. However, I don't object to people having opinions that differ to mine on the particulars of global warming, as such debate is good for scientific and social progress.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 03:03:48 PM »


You're qualified to examine their arguments and see if they make sense.  Do you know what the assertions are that they make and the evidence that they present to support these assertions?  Good, then you have all you need to actually think for yourself.
Of course I can look at the arguments, but since I'm not a climatologist, I am not qualified to draw conclusions from them.  I have not been educated in climatology, so any conclusion I drew would be an ignorant one.  I will defer to scientists who do know what they're talking about, though.
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 08:38:32 PM »

Put me in the undecided category.
My reasons are as follows:
1) While there are many scientists who say warming is real and caused by us there are also many (about 60) prominent climate scientists who disagree.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=3711460e-bd5a-475d-a6be-4db87559d605

2) Most of the scientists who disagree would have said that they agree there is warming but they don't agree that it is due to us. But now even the assertion that earth is getting warmer is brought into question. While it was previously thought that 1998 was the warmest year in recorded US history, it now turns out that the warmest year was 1934. http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html

Further it now seems that the weather stations may not meet adequate controls to assure accurate data and may be significantly influenced by development that has occurred around them. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58767

3) Al Gore's PowerPoint presentation shows Earth's temperature and CO2 levels apparently moving in unison. That certainly suggests a correlation but does not prove cause and effect. The problem is that the warming generally occurs 2 -8 centuries before the CO2 rises. In the cooling phases following the interglaciel warming period cooling occurs several thousand years before the CO2 levels fall. This fact is noted in the Vostok ice core data. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/vostokco2.html

I can't say that the anthropogenic warming theory is incorrect, but in my estimation there are serious holes in the theory that should be resolved before we we embark on a multi-billion dollar project that will affect the way we live.

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 08:59:04 PM »

Option 3

And wonderful job misleading people with the options.  Just because some loud mouths scientists come up with a theory doesn't make a consensus, similar to the belief that is spread that most scientists are atheists with no belief in a higher power, which is actually quite contrary to what is the truth.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 09:19:56 PM »

Option 3

And wonderful job misleading people with the options.  Just because some loud mouths scientists come up with a theory doesn't make a consensus, similar to the belief that is spread that most scientists are atheists with no belief in a higher power, which is actually quite contrary to what is the truth.

scientists are disproportionately atheist/secular/agnostic in relation to the general population.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 10:04:02 PM »

I lean Option I.  Personally, I believe combating global warming should be a secondary goal under the overall quest of weening our economy off of fossil fuels.  If global warming turns out to have been true, we will have accomplished it and also achieved a general economically positive outcome for the world and our nation.  On the other hand, if the global warming theory is false then we have not taken any hasty decisions like arbitrary caps on carbon that would quash economic growth.
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 10:20:48 PM »

I believe that global warming is real... As far as its man made effects, I really can't say, although I believe we are at least partially to blame.
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2007, 12:27:29 AM »

Option 1.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2007, 02:29:26 AM »

The warming's effect and the human role are exagerrated.

Both exist, however.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2007, 02:55:27 AM »


So no answer is correct. I am though very skeptical about the whole Global warming movement.


I agree with this.

And no, I don't think Al Gore has some agenda for world domination... he's just dumbing it down for the masses to the point where it is no longer correct and it becomes very misleading.
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2007, 05:17:26 AM »


Is a musician qualified to come to his own conclusion about the Iraq war?  Is a mechanic qualified to come to his own conclusions on the correctness of religion?

For once, I'm with Harry. This is a reasonably complex scientific issue. It would be preposterous to claim that my opinion on it is as valid as someone who has devoted years of study to the isssue. And I would say that many musicians are not really qualified to draw conclusions about the Iraq war, nor the mechanic on religion. People's belief that they can create their own truth without paying any heed to others is a great problem in many areas.
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2008, 05:02:45 PM »

Who voted No?
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2008, 05:07:53 PM »

Option 1 (Normal).
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2008, 05:16:35 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2008, 05:59:20 PM »

Fiction as explained by the Global warming fear mongers.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2008, 06:01:10 PM »

Option 1
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